<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171</id><updated>2011-12-17T16:47:14.747Z</updated><title type='text'>Augustine of Canterbury</title><subtitle type='html'></subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>80</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-3138569551640326669</id><published>2010-07-31T03:08:00.002+01:00</published><updated>2010-07-31T03:09:19.590+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Apple-v-Windows</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/TFOFJxzQnuI/AAAAAAAACXg/ySjwyxl4PMQ/s1600/iphone-3g.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/TFOFJxzQnuI/AAAAAAAACXg/ySjwyxl4PMQ/s320/iphone-3g.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I’m a long time and convicted PC user so my recent purchase and use of an iPhone 3Gs is a little surprising, even to me.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Windows Phones Didn’t Deliver&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Over the years as phones have turned into PDA’s I’ve migrated from Palms to XDA’s running Windows Mobile.  Sadly my last device was so unreliable that even answering calls was a lottery.  Some of the programmes worked at first but almost immediately became erratic.  It’s a pity because Windows Mobile offered a world of possibilities but it delivered a phone that drops calls and where the programmes rarely functioned reliably.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Why an iPhone ?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;So when it came to choosing a new phone I knew the Apple OS had increased stability over window OS, chiefly achieved by limiting user choices and options, so I thought that I would trade flexibility for reliability.  Although I had previously mocked the Apple OS for only recently introducing cut and paste I made the leap and purchased my first ever Apple device. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;I'm Totally Blown Away&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Using the iPhone has been a pure pleasure: it just works in a way that most windows mobile users have forgotten.  I think that only if you've had an unreliable device can you understand the sheer joy of say a mapping programme working every time so you can navigate in an unfamiliar location. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Apps are really great&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The apps or programmes are amazing and enable you to do easily what otherwise you could only do on a full size PC. I can take and post photos to my Facebook page, text whole groups of people, order a delivery from the Supermarket, check the news, use the integrated iPod, browse the Internet, twitter, watch BBC24, e-bay, e-mail, find my nearest church and order coffee capsules - and all of this without  a crash or hitch.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Getting Older&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;It occurs to me that my new found love of the Apple iPhone, it's ease of use and the fact that it just works, might well be connected to my getting older.  I no longer have the time or the patience to fiddle with the programmes.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Will I be switching to Apple for my PC ?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;No, because they're far too expensive (both hardware and software), they don't do half the things I need to do and because there are compatibility issues for me.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Why am I writing this ?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Because I genuinely surprised by what a positive and great experience using an iPhone has been and I thought that I'd share the story.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-3138569551640326669?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/3138569551640326669/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=3138569551640326669' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/3138569551640326669'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/3138569551640326669'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/07/apple-v-windows.html' title='Apple-v-Windows'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/TFOFJxzQnuI/AAAAAAAACXg/ySjwyxl4PMQ/s72-c/iphone-3g.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-5510128652812963341</id><published>2010-07-29T15:17:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2010-07-29T15:17:25.028+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Benedict XVI - A Disastrous Papacy</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/TFGMSXm4dPI/AAAAAAAACXY/qPw6Zm6cjDM/s1600/Nope.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/TFGMSXm4dPI/AAAAAAAACXY/qPw6Zm6cjDM/s320/Nope.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;No thank you&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I've just very politely declined to be in the congregation at Westminster Abbey when Benedict XVI visits in September. Why ?  Because I can't in all conscience give my support to the worst papacy in living memory.  I would have been absolutely delighted to have worshipped along side John XXIII because he was a saintly reformer.  But Benedict XVI is an altogether different character.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Misogyny with added intolerance&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;To have listed support for the ordination of women as a crime against the sacraments adds contemptible intolerance to misogyny.  Trying to stifle discussion is symptomatic of knowing that the argument is already lost.  Ostriches, sand and heads come to mind.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Anglican Ordinate an Ecumenical Disaster&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Opportunistic interfering with the internal discussions of the Anglican Communion and the Church of England would never have been even contemplated in previous papacies.  The discourtesy of not consulting the Archbishop of Canterbury was truly astonishing.  45 years of ecumenical work have been sidelined for offers to SSPX and FiF, which reveals Benedict's über conservative agenda.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Old Vestments and the Latin Mass&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Perhaps we should have guessed what this papacy was going to be like when Benedict XVI began to wear old fashioned vestments and major papal masses returned to using Latin.  People seem to have forgotten that the Roman Catholic Church was on it's knees and half dead at the time of the 2nd Vatican Council.  The Councils reforms were absolutely necessary (literally vital) to the survival of the RC Church.  To attempt, even a partial roll back, of Vatican II will result in serious decline; it's like a smoker who having survived lung cancer starts smoking again and proclaiming it to be the cure for his disease, the result is inevitable.  Bringing back the Latin Mass is only the answer to the question - 'what could we do to make matters worse' !&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;So no thank you, I won't be pew fodder for Mr Ratzinger; his papacy is a depressing funeral liturgy.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-5510128652812963341?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/5510128652812963341/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=5510128652812963341' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/5510128652812963341'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/5510128652812963341'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/07/benedict-xvi-disastrous-papacy.html' title='Benedict XVI - A Disastrous Papacy'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/TFGMSXm4dPI/AAAAAAAACXY/qPw6Zm6cjDM/s72-c/Nope.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-2333622107360312637</id><published>2010-07-27T21:56:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2010-07-27T21:56:17.199+01:00</updated><title type='text'>What is it with TV programmes about the supernatural ?</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/TE9GYUXNaZI/AAAAAAAACWw/WnxZKlO5ZXw/s1600/fringe-tv-promo-1.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="200" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/TE9GYUXNaZI/AAAAAAAACWw/WnxZKlO5ZXw/s200/fringe-tv-promo-1.jpg" width="133" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Has anyone else noticed that whilst we live in an age of widespread disbelief and atheism there's a lot of popular entertainment about the supernatural ?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;It's almost as if the reductionist and comfortless philosophy of 'this is all there is' has caused a desire or hope in the collective popular imagination which finds it's outlet in TV programmes &amp;amp; films about the supernatural.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/TE9Gfkp-onI/AAAAAAAACW4/hRMDZABbJZU/s1600/ghost-whisperer-spirit-guide.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="200" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/TE9Gfkp-onI/AAAAAAAACW4/hRMDZABbJZU/s200/ghost-whisperer-spirit-guide.jpg" width="164" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I also wonder if this is connected with the collective dis-ease with organised religion and formal belief systems; it appears more acceptable to believe in speaking to dead relatives than the Nicene Creed.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Can we learn anything useful from this ?  I believe so:-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Firstly&lt;/b&gt; most people are probably agnostic rather than atheist, waiting or actively looking for underlying realities and that which lies beyond the observable world.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/TE9Gmfv7CUI/AAAAAAAACXA/oAy9JQhuF-A/s1600/I-m-with-the-vampires-twilight-series-1213759_1280_1024.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="160" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/TE9Gmfv7CUI/AAAAAAAACXA/oAy9JQhuF-A/s200/I-m-with-the-vampires-twilight-series-1213759_1280_1024.jpg" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Secondly&lt;/b&gt; people crave hope; the blunt message of atheism that people cease to exist is just not believed by many who &lt;b&gt;hope&lt;/b&gt; that there is life beyond death and meaning to&amp;nbsp;their&amp;nbsp;existence.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/TE9Gsvn1zeI/AAAAAAAACXI/6RlnGMykesw/s1600/medium106.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="200" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/TE9Gsvn1zeI/AAAAAAAACXI/6RlnGMykesw/s200/medium106.jpg" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Thirdly&lt;/b&gt; the church has failed to attract many '&lt;b&gt;hopers&lt;/b&gt;' because we're obsessed with formulas of orthodoxy as the very basis of membership.  It's really very telling that we recite the 4th Cent Nicene Creed every Sunday, originally composed to refute the heresies of the early church and totally meaningless to most enquirers.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/TE9GyvTTayI/AAAAAAAACXQ/3XhFs_1oHe4/s1600/Warehouse13_S1.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="200" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/TE9GyvTTayI/AAAAAAAACXQ/3XhFs_1oHe4/s200/Warehouse13_S1.jpg" width="129" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Fourthly&lt;/b&gt; if we were more like fellow travellers and enquirers and less like the Spanish inquisition people might want to spend some time with us.  Absolute certainty and condemnation of those who don't share our views are deeply unattractive traits. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The harvest is plentiful but the labourers are few&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-2333622107360312637?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/2333622107360312637/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=2333622107360312637' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/2333622107360312637'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/2333622107360312637'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/07/what-is-it-with-tv-programmes-about.html' title='What is it with TV programmes about the supernatural ?'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/TE9GYUXNaZI/AAAAAAAACWw/WnxZKlO5ZXw/s72-c/fringe-tv-promo-1.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-8512683776108495988</id><published>2010-07-26T16:00:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2010-07-26T16:00:59.823+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Time to confidently reassert we're Catholic and Reformed</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Current Climate&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Those making the most noise at the moment are heavily criticising the CofE, denying it's catholicity, proposing we're about to become a protestant sect and recommending the Ordinate or full RC membership (oh yes there's a real difference between those two!)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Proclaiming the Positive&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Somebody needs to be putting the positive side of the Women Bishops legislation in it's current form and reasserting the continuing Catholicity of the Church of England.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Apartheid is Ending&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The 1992 promise to Parliament, as I understand it, was an honoured place within the church for those opposed to the ordination of women.  &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;Within&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; is the operative word.  In my mind that did not permit setting up a separate church within the church, pretending the rest of us don't exist or treating fellow Christians like lepers.  So I view the end of FiF jurisdiction as a positive outcome; FiF'ers will have to rejoin the mainstream church and exhibit the previously lacking virtues of grace, tolerance and inclusivity.  In return women bishops will no doubt with equal grace and tolerance follow a code of practice and transfer Episcopal functions to a male bishop when requested.  The separate church within a church solution didn't work, was an ecclesiological aberration, a most unfortunate mistake and it's end is entirely desirable.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Facing the Future with Confidence and Vigour&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;It's now time for Anglo-Catholics to assert that we are the Catholic and Apostolic Church of England, proclaiming the faith of the scriptures and the catholic creeds.  We are reformed because the church needs reformation when it is in error and disrepair.   In so far as we are able to discern it the Church of England is the church in this country that is most closely following God's will and Christ's intention for his church and we say that confidently and without apology or qualification.  It is God's will that women should be Deacons, Priests and Bishops and we lead the universal church is that discernment.  We call upon all churches to admit women to the fullness of Holy Orders, without further delay. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-8512683776108495988?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/8512683776108495988/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=8512683776108495988' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/8512683776108495988'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/8512683776108495988'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/07/time-to-confidently-reassert-were.html' title='Time to confidently reassert we&apos;re Catholic and Reformed'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><thr:total>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-2101126689442754205</id><published>2010-07-26T00:44:00.002+01:00</published><updated>2010-07-26T16:04:38.439+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Satori - a moment of realisation</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Satori in Zen Buddhism is a moment of realisation or enlightenment after which nothing is quite the same. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I'm reminded of Satori by those bloggers who being heavily critical of the Church of England are advocating joining the Roman Catholic Church via the Ordinate. That's because becoming a Roman Catholic requires an assertion that every act ministry in the Church of England has been invalid: every eucharist, baptism, confirmation, marriage and ordination are according to Rome invalid. What a dreadful  moment of realisation that must be ! (and let's be crystal clear that I believe this to be a totally false realisation)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The question I want to ask is: if you've had a moment of realisation like that how can you then continue to be a member of the Church of England ? Or more astonishingly how can you with integrity continue to minister in the CofE ?  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Surely it's intolerable to be ready to repudiate your entire sacramental ministry whilst still celebrating the very sacraments you are now convinced to be invalid.   &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;To spell it out: the gap between deciding to convert and ending your Anglican Church membership can't be too long. Long enough to make practical arrangements but not so long that any sense of integrity is mocked.   &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogium-promo" style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;Posted from &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://totocaster.com/blogium/"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;Blogium&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt; for iPhone&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogium-promo" style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-2101126689442754205?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/2101126689442754205/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=2101126689442754205' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/2101126689442754205'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/2101126689442754205'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/07/satori-moment-of-realisation.html' title='Satori - a moment of realisation'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-5483944627763861132</id><published>2010-07-23T14:20:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2010-07-23T14:20:18.606+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Papal Mass Only £25</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/TEmW0zdqKNI/AAAAAAAACWo/6Bzy2QStCVc/s1600/cash.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="218" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/TEmW0zdqKNI/AAAAAAAACWo/6Bzy2QStCVc/s320/cash.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Isn't it a sin to sell the sacraments for money ?  I just wondered if the £25 it costs for parking and a 'pilgrim pack' at the UK Birmingham Mass was really just a way of cover up a 25 quid charge for a papal mass ?  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Frankly I think it is just a cover up and that's it's particularly galling if like many Roman Catholics you've already contributed heavily to the cost of the papal visit via a special parish collection.  Not only are you being charged for an allegedly free sacrament, but you've paid twice.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;That's not quite right is it ?  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-5483944627763861132?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/5483944627763861132/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=5483944627763861132' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/5483944627763861132'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/5483944627763861132'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/07/papal-mass-only-25.html' title='Papal Mass Only £25'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/TEmW0zdqKNI/AAAAAAAACWo/6Bzy2QStCVc/s72-c/cash.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-6830706368127228551</id><published>2010-06-25T14:31:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2010-06-25T14:31:17.625+01:00</updated><title type='text'>An open letter to the Archbishops</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;An open letter to the Archbishops’ regarding their proposed amendments&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Dear Archbishop Williams and Archbishop Sentamu,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;It is with great dismay and disappointment that I read your proposed amendments to the Women Bishop’s draft legislation issued on Monday 21st June. I doubt there are many who will feel this offers good news. Far from being attentive to the full diversity of voices within the Church of England, these amendments suggest that you, our Archbishops, are primarily concerned with a particularly vocal minority. Neither do you seem to trust that the Legislative Drafting Committee have, in fact, been extremely attentive to the diversity of voices for the past year and have worked hard to come up with the current proposals. There is nothing to suggest, for example, that you are listening to the voices of those who signed petitions in 2008 requesting a single clause measure. Or those, like WATCH, who have made it clear that the proposed legislation already demands many concessions and compromises from the simple single clause measure they requested and which has been favoured by all other Anglican provinces who have chosen to open the episcopate to women. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;There will be many who will be unable to support the proposed transfer arrangements and continual public undermining of women’s spiritual authority implicit in these amendments (paragraph 6), even if it means proceeding sooner rather than later.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The smoke and mirror strategy of giving jurisdiction by virtue of the Measure, rather than transfer or delegation in effect implies that the Church of England as a whole is ambiguous about the identity and authority of both Bishops who are female and male priests who accept their ministry. This is a dangerous precedent to set and leaves women in ministry vulnerable as they, along with every Christian, continue the battle against the principalities and powers of darkness but without the full support of the Church that recognised and authorised their divine calling to ordained ministry. It is a poor consolation prize to offer consecrated women fuller legal rights with one hand (para 15.1) while continuing to set up structures that call into question their spiritual authority (paragraph 13).  The interpretation of the Lambeth Conference resolution (1998) which undergirds this proposal (para 2) fails to recognise that both those who assent to and those who dissent to the ordination of women to the priesthood are loyal Anglicans because what we hold in common; our love for Christ, our common identity as brothers and sisters in Christ, takes precedence over our disagreement over differing understandings of the Episcopal authority. Status as loyal Anglicans is not a carte blanche to demand special provisions. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I refute completely that the Church of England has managed to operate a practical polity (para 13). The practical polity is in fact extremely dysfunctional, cripples the ministry of women, in some diocese more than others, and has done nothing to bring about greater communion, but instead fosters division and discrimination and continues to damage the Church. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Many people on both sides of the debate have struggled with the Act of Synod because they are committed to making it work and will continue to wrestle with whatever General Synod manages to agree upon, because of their love for the communities this Church serves, often despite the toxic legacy of the Act. This is illustrated by the fact that Prayer Vigils will take place around the country, in Ripon, Guildford, Newcastle and Lichfield Cathedrals, during the General Synod debates, genuinely drawing together the diversity of voices to which you refer, but to whom you clearly have not listened. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Where ever the solution may lie to the question of how to bring about Women Bishops, I think it is unlikely to manifest itself in the creation of Church of England ghettos that will further isolate those who are opposed and fatally undermine the ministry of those who assent and have the unenviable task of making such convoluted proposals work. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Where are the proposals that will in fact ensure that we simply have Bishops? Consecrated because we have discerned God’s calling and gifting within them, regardless of those things that are declared unimportant in relation to our identity in Christ; race, gender, social status? Where are the proposals that will enable them to fulfil that role with joy, confidence and the minimum of hindrance?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;When will the Church of England accept that to set up structures that implicitly infer that some people are less a child of God than others is just poor theology and a stumbling block to our proclamation of the gospel?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I realise that the sound of our church in great pain as it labours to bring something into new birth is difficult for you both, as our Archbishops, and for many others to hear. But it would be good for you to recognise that the expression of pain is not necessarily an indication that something is fundamentally wrong. The Church of England, through Synod, declared many decades ago that there were, in fact, no theological objections to women’s ordained ministry. I would like to see it support its statements with clear and unambiguous actions.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Your sister in Christ,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Lindsay Southern &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;22nd June 2010&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;21 Melltowns Green&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: 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Top Blogs by Augustine of Canterbury</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;These are Augustine of&amp;nbsp;Canterbury's top blogs;-&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;(Just click the title to visit)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a 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class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;1662 Prayer Book An Anglo-Catholic Interpretation&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/12/anglo-papalist-or-anglo-catholic.html"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Anglo-Papalist or Anglo-Catholic&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/11/counter-offer.html"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;A Counter Offer&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/11/positive-anglo-catholic-agenda.html"&gt;A Positive Anglo-Catholic 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title='11 Top Blogs by Augustine of Canterbury'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S9mHT1XpfGI/AAAAAAAACT4/0lM4FAENNig/s72-c/AugustineOfCanterbury.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-1694139005224704184</id><published>2010-04-28T17:25:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2010-04-28T17:25:50.641+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Anti-Catholicism or Valid Criticism</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S9hg_q-SaVI/AAAAAAAACT0/Dr0ktuZM-x0/s1600/hell.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="640" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S9hg_q-SaVI/AAAAAAAACT0/Dr0ktuZM-x0/s640/hell.jpg" width="328" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Anti-Catholicism or Valid Criticism&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I've noticed a tendency amongst a number of commentators to cry prejudice &amp;amp; anti-Catholicism at any criticism of the Roman Catholic Church.  No doubt there are indeed a few people jumping on the band wagon, delighted at the failings of the worlds largest church.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;This Affects Every Christian&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;But not everyone; because most of us know that recent scandals affect everyone.  I've gotten strange looks on the tube / underground for wearing my clerical collar. I know unchurched people have draw less than charitable conclusions about the whole Christian community; protestant, orthodox, non-conformist, reformed and Roman Catholic.  There will be jokes about clergy / priests and children for years to come.  Generations of genuinely worthy work with schools, children and young people is diminished, probably permanently.  Good &amp;amp; holy work is literally undone by this tragedy.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Combination of Offenders &amp;amp; Obsession with Obedience.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;But it's not just the offenders who have caused such havoc; it's the institution's reaction that multiplies the effect.  The Legionaries of Christ insistence on not criticising spiritual superiors enabled it's 'celibate' founder Marcial Maciel to have children (not families) with multiple women and to sexually abuse them.  Making victims take vows of silence meant that it took decades to correctly identify the scale of the problem and address it appropriately. It's not just a few bad apples;- it's an attitude towards authority and covering up that magnifies the original offence.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Cover Up the Moral Equivalent of Collusion  &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;In normal institutions these offences would have been publicised thus minimising the chances of recidivism.  But in a heavily hierarchical institution, obsessed with obedience, with an eye on public perception; secrecy permits / enables recidivism.  Isn't that moral collusion by delinquency ?  (sharing in the evil of the offence by failing to take appropriate action)  In essence a few individuals committed grievous offences but the institution of the Roman Catholic Church multiplied the offence by allowing recidivism (re-offence) and denying the victims true justice; as seen to be done.  Thus hundred of millions of Christians are tarred with the same brush.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Illustration&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The illustration above by Scarfe is a truly tragic comment on how the world now sees Christians and the church.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-1694139005224704184?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/1694139005224704184/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=1694139005224704184' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/1694139005224704184'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/1694139005224704184'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/04/anti-catholicism-or-valid-criticism.html' title='Anti-Catholicism or Valid Criticism'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S9hg_q-SaVI/AAAAAAAACT0/Dr0ktuZM-x0/s72-c/hell.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-6057061363548169166</id><published>2010-04-25T23:52:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2010-04-25T23:59:02.116+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Exclusive News of the UK Papal Visit</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S9THXAvramI/AAAAAAAACTs/qeWuddzX55Q/s1600/Pope+%26+Queen.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="214" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S9THXAvramI/AAAAAAAACTs/qeWuddzX55Q/s320/Pope+%26+Queen.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Obviously I'm not going to reveal my source for this; but I'm very happy to tell readers of this blog exclusively:-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Queen will meet Pope in Scotland&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;We'll be spared the sight of the Pope and Queen in London, with all the attendant pomp.  Instead the Queen, who is not breaking her holiday, will meet the Pope in Scotland.  I think a single picture of the Pope shaking hands with the Queen will suffice.  This kind of low key, minimum publicity meeting is an excellent idea and avoids pictures and images that some (including me) would find hard to stomach.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pope will go to Lambeth Palace&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The Pope will go to Lambeth Palace to meet with Archbishop Rowan Williams.  Again another great idea, it makes the point that the Pope is visiting an Anglican country where ++Rowan is the head of the established church.  A picture of the Pope and ++Rowan in front of a portrait of a reformation archbishop will probably be too much to ask, but the symbolism of the location will do nicely.  I'd advise Rowan to give the pope a 1662 Book of Common Prayer as they're somewhat keen on Anglican patrimony in Rome at the moment.  Whether he'll read the 39 Articles on the plane home I guess we'll never know, but there's always hope.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pope will go to Westminster Abbey&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Of course it would be unthinkable for a visiting dignitary not to lay a wreath of remembrance at the tomb of the unknown solider; perhaps in the silent moment that follows the pope will reflect on his own part in he second world war.  I'm almost tempted to go and watch.  A guided tour of the post reformation Kings and Queens tombs would probably be in order too. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pope will address both Houses of Parliament&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Perhaps more problematically the pope will also address both houses of parliament in St Stephens Hall.  I can't honestly see a big turn out from amongst MP's for this.  My concern here is the UK giving the pope an official platform to promulgate his views and inevitably criticise the majority of us for not wanting to live in a Roman Catholic state. The thought that as a country we have collectively invited this man to address our parliament worries me; perhaps he can be persuaded to restrict his remarks, a befits an invited guest.  If not I might feel impelled to attend and protest, as is my right.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-6057061363548169166?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/6057061363548169166/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=6057061363548169166' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/6057061363548169166'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/6057061363548169166'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/04/exclusive-news-of-uk-papal-visit.html' title='Exclusive News of the UK Papal Visit'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S9THXAvramI/AAAAAAAACTs/qeWuddzX55Q/s72-c/Pope+%26+Queen.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-5481418667188625963</id><published>2010-04-25T22:21:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2010-04-25T22:22:27.826+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Get a Grip !</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S9SyGi9cEyI/AAAAAAAACTk/ROmcAP2chiA/s1600/Pope.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S9SyGi9cEyI/AAAAAAAACTk/ROmcAP2chiA/s320/Pope.JPG" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The RC blogosphere is alive with indignation about the Foreign Office memo.  So what's the problem;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Can't take a joke ?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Lost your sense of humour ?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Too near the truth for you ?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;OK - the idea about him opening an abortion clinic is a bit tasteless, but a papal brand of condoms and blessing a gay partnership are quite funny and thoroughly deserved considering the actual consequences of some Roman Catholic doctrine.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;We shouldn't forget that opposition to contraception is not just a slightly nutty idea, held by a few religious fruit cakes it really kills people in Africa who are consequently exposed to HIV and Aids.  Most health professionals know that&amp;nbsp;availability&amp;nbsp;of condoms would make a big difference to infection rates.  The Roman Catholic teaching on abstinence is just another example naivety. Make no mistake, this doctrine kills people. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;We also shouldn't forget the sheer hypocrisy of church whose clergy are predominantly gay by orientation (I've reliable RC clergy friends who put the percentage of RC gay clergy at between 75-95%) but who teach that being gay is intrinsically disordered. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The Pope can't be above criticism or his teaching beyond debate, it's a free country and the old deference is long dead, as he is about to discover when his visit to the UK is also marked by the prominence and presence of those who beg to differ.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-5481418667188625963?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/5481418667188625963/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=5481418667188625963' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/5481418667188625963'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/5481418667188625963'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/04/get-grip.html' title='Get a Grip !'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S9SyGi9cEyI/AAAAAAAACTk/ROmcAP2chiA/s72-c/Pope.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-8170016753884864233</id><published>2010-04-19T17:11:00.003+01:00</published><updated>2010-04-19T17:28:59.968+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Why I'm Voting Labour</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I'm voting Labour because I remember previous conservative (Tory) governments and I don't want to live under that kind of&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;regime&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;ever again;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S8x7wB2Fs2I/AAAAAAAACSU/e2oW9o77Pqk/s1600/Whatever-happened-to-the-British-car-industry.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="132" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S8x7wB2Fs2I/AAAAAAAACSU/e2oW9o77Pqk/s200/Whatever-happened-to-the-British-car-industry.jpg" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #990000;"&gt;Death of British Industry&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The Thatcher&amp;nbsp;regime&amp;nbsp;('79-'90) presided over the near total destruction of British Manufacturing Industry. Driven by the dog eat dog ideology of uncontrolled competition the government let British industry be savaged by low wage, low tech economies elsewhere in the world.  They peddled the myth that a managed re-orientation / re-tooling for a high skill, high tech economy wasn't possible and the result was (at least) 3 million unemployed, tens of thousands of companies closed and the creation of huge industrial waste lands all around the country.  British Industry died and we became of nation of financial services consultants, credit controllers and call customer care operatives.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S8x9EnctrDI/AAAAAAAACSc/hbDeUMyktyo/s1600/portacabin+school.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="150" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S8x9EnctrDI/AAAAAAAACSc/hbDeUMyktyo/s200/portacabin+school.jpg" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #990000;"&gt;War on Education&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Thatcher hated the (mostly) egalitarian British education system and especially teachers, who were allegedly all part of a left wing conspiracy.  Money was deliberately diverted from education, school buildings got into a terrible state, there were daily news stories of leaking roofs and classes held in unheated rooms and portacabins.  The underfunding got so bad that parents were asked to buy basic teaching material and even children books.  Thatcher wanted a vocational based education system that simply trained monkeys / people to work in call answering centers (and the like) and did not educate people beyond strict necessity.  Learning for it own sake was anathema and Tory rhetoric against teachers reached Stalinist mantra heights.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S8x9WiwHnsI/AAAAAAAACSk/LH8VIEN3RpQ/s1600/patients+in+corridor.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="134" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S8x9WiwHnsI/AAAAAAAACSk/LH8VIEN3RpQ/s200/patients+in+corridor.jpg" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #990000;"&gt;End the NHS&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;In Thatcher Newspeak (Orwell 1984) 'The NHS is safe in our hands' - but the truth was very very different.  Thatcher had an ideological hatred of a universal health care system as intrinsically socialistic; so the race was on to bring the NHS to it's knees whilst extolling the virtues of the private health care sector.  Waiting lists grew, wards and sometimes whole hospitals closed, NHS employees were vilified (especially nurses) and all the while plush private wards and services prospered at the expenses of the NHS.  The poor literally paid for the private health care of the rich, it was Robin Hood in reverse.  The lowest point came when tax breaks for private health care were proposed; everyone was asked to pay for the private health care of the rich, unbelievable!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S8x9xIvL5XI/AAAAAAAACSs/nYt-3yktJ6I/s1600/Dole+Que.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="120" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S8x9xIvL5XI/AAAAAAAACSs/nYt-3yktJ6I/s200/Dole+Que.jpg" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #990000;"&gt;Get on your bike&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Who can forget the Tory Employment Secretary, Norman Tebbit, telling the 3 million unemployed to get on their bikes and look for work?   Whole areas of the country were in economic meltdown and unemployed people faced a lifetime without work, there was a tangible atmosphere in some towns of complete despair.  Benefits for the unemployed were cut, and cut again and the unemployed were blamed for being lazy and not having a job;- the victim was blamed for the crime !  Tory spin doctors spread the story that Thatcher was 'upset' that people thought her (and the government) uncaring !  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S8x-G69vyxI/AAAAAAAACS0/eSvPbRZbF3Q/s1600/tell+sid.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="127" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S8x-G69vyxI/AAAAAAAACS0/eSvPbRZbF3Q/s200/tell+sid.jpg" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #990000;"&gt;Tell Sid He Was Robbed&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Any kind of business or enterprise that was owned by the people was up for sale on the cheap, partly to disguise underlying economic failure.  When your gas bill is enormous, the gas company's profits equally enormous and most ordinary people no longer own shares in the energy companies you have the Tories to thank for that.  When the banking system almost collapsed and British de-mutualised building societies were at the heart of the British crisis, you have the Tories (and the carpet baggers) to thank for that.  This was always about big business getting it's hands on the peoples assets and never about creating a sharing owning democracy. As Harold Macmillan told us you can only sell the family silver once;- in our case it was sold cheaply, and we are still paying the price with every overpriced electricity, gas, water, train, and telephone bill.  We were robbed.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S8x-to_of3I/AAAAAAAACS8/5FX9yu_KNdA/s1600/thatcher.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="200" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S8x-to_of3I/AAAAAAAACS8/5FX9yu_KNdA/s200/thatcher.JPG" width="118" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #990000;"&gt;War on ordinary people&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;During the last Tory government there was an unending list of different people / groups to be singled out and vilified in the press, legislated against and blamed for all the ills of the country.   One month it was single parents, then gays and lesbians, then miners, then teachers, then the unemployed, then immigrants, then trades unionists, then Argentineans ....  Strangely enough Old Etonians, stock brokers, company directors and the rich seemed immune from the latest group to be publically reviled and given a good spanking, funny that ! &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S8x-_OW9zJI/AAAAAAAACTE/AarsnIx9jYs/s1600/Poll-Tax-riot.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="148" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S8x-_OW9zJI/AAAAAAAACTE/AarsnIx9jYs/s200/Poll-Tax-riot.jpg" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #990000;"&gt;Poll Tax Riots&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I watched the police clash with thousands of rioters in Trafalgar Square with open mouthed disbelief. I knew it was bad in Britain under the Tories and I knew the Poll Tax was both unfair (un-progressive) and unpopular, but I couldn't quite believe I was watching the nearest thing to a full revolution unfold on the TV news.  Ordinary people were on the street along side the usual political activists and were angry at the arrogance of the Tory government's proposed poll tax.  It was obvious evidence that the government just didn't care about the plight of ordinary people, it was driven by ideology and the interests of a tiny minority of rich people with high local council tax bills.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S8x_ka0WmKI/AAAAAAAACTM/SUkq0C8N0Yo/s1600/orwell_1984_filmea%5B4%5D.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="123" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S8x_ka0WmKI/AAAAAAAACTM/SUkq0C8N0Yo/s200/orwell_1984_filmea%5B4%5D.jpg" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #990000;"&gt;An Alternative Universe&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;At times during 79-97 I thought I wondered into an alternative universe where black was white, truth a lie and up was down.  It was a truly surreal period;- almost like a conscious re-enactment of Orwell's 1984;- we were told we were getting better health care, better education, better transport, creating a share owning democracy,  the economy was thriving and the 'Great' was being put back into Britain !  But we experienced the exact opposite every day. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S8yADU8hLFI/AAAAAAAACTU/c9-EtiqivYo/s1600/loads-of-money.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="200" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S8yADU8hLFI/AAAAAAAACTU/c9-EtiqivYo/s200/loads-of-money.JPG" width="194" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #990000;"&gt;The Tories Look After Their Own&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;You could sum up the last Tory government with the aphorism 'the rich got richer and the poor got poorer'.  The interests of big business and multi-national companies were very well looked after with any kind of regulation, safeguard or law that hindered rampant profiteering immediately withdrawn.  Entrepreneurs, 'Loads of Money' Stockbrokers and Merchant Bankers were hailed as national heroes.  Make no mistake the Tories are backed by the rich and big business for a simple reason;- they look after their interests and place them before you and your welfare, every single time. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S8yATkQ3eQI/AAAAAAAACTc/1MizYtwZWjI/s1600/cameron+as+thatcher.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="200" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S8yATkQ3eQI/AAAAAAAACTc/1MizYtwZWjI/s200/cameron+as+thatcher.jpg" width="120" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #990000;"&gt;Cameron Isn't Different&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Frankly I cringe when I hear Cameron saying the 'new' Tory party is now friendly to gays and lesbians because I remember clause 28 and government inspired campaigns of hate in the newspapers.  I know that the 'Big Society' Tory manifesto theme is newspeak for massive cuts in government / social expenditure.  You only need to look at those pictures of Cameron, Johnson and Osborne as members of the Bullingdon Club whilst at Oxford University to know that the Tory party stands for government by the elite in the interests of the few.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #990000;"&gt;Labour's Record&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I know that Labour have made some serious mistakes, in my opinion mostly by not being radical enough.  However;- the NHS has new hospitals and wards, waiting lists are greatly reduced, patients have rights under the NHS charter, pay for NHS workers is better, new schools have been built, class rooms refurbished, teachers pay has increased, formerly publically owned businesses are at least regulated, unemployment is still too high but people also still receive benefits whilst trying to find a new job, single parents still received benefits, child benefit is still paid, old people get a winter fuel allowance and state pensions have increased.  The Labour party isn't perfect, far from it, but it's a whole lot better than the Tory alternative.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #990000;"&gt;I'm Thatcher's Child&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;If the tone and passion of what I've said surprises you; it shouldn't because I'm Thatcher's child.  I lived through the 18 years of conservative government, it politicised and motivated me; I joined the Labour party, I worked hard day and night for a Labour victory in the 1997 election, I've organised elections for the Labour party and stood as a candidate.  Thatcher made me a conviction member of the Labour Party for life.  And when you look at the polls and can't understand why, with Labour being allegedly so unpopular, the Tories still can't win, there's a simple reason;- there is a whole generation of people, exactly like me, who remember what it was like to live under a Tory government and who consequently will never, never, ever vote conservative.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-8170016753884864233?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/8170016753884864233/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=8170016753884864233' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/8170016753884864233'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/8170016753884864233'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/04/why-im-voting-labour.html' title='Why I&apos;m Voting Labour'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S8x7wB2Fs2I/AAAAAAAACSU/e2oW9o77Pqk/s72-c/Whatever-happened-to-the-British-car-industry.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-7666520195001044816</id><published>2010-04-12T17:35:00.003+01:00</published><updated>2010-04-12T17:48:20.080+01:00</updated><title type='text'>German cartoon offends some / saddens me</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S8NKoy__cbI/AAAAAAAACRw/39AroJd0gto/s1600/titanic+magazine.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S8NKoy__cbI/AAAAAAAACRw/39AroJd0gto/s320/titanic+magazine.jpg" width="241" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;For those who haven't been following the sex abuse scandal in Germany, the latest twist involves Roman Catholics outraged by the above cartoon.  The cartoon appeared in the satirical magazine Titanic, on Good Friday (of all days) and is suggestive of a sexual act.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I'm not disposed to be outraged by this kind of graphic criticism, I just think it's a powerful and very sad indictment; because the cartoon deliberately plays upon Matthew 25.40 'whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me'.  Perhaps a cartoon echoing Mark 9.42 'and if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea'. would have been more fitting, but probably equally offensive to some.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Instead of getting outraged I would advise putting energy into reforming the church, ending the abuses of an obedience and secrecy obsessed hierarchy, drawing women and laity into considering disciplinary matters and calling for end to compulsory celibacy.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;A spot of heartfelt and public repentance by those in charge, including B16, would go a long way to restoring the much damaged credibility of the church.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-7666520195001044816?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/7666520195001044816/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=7666520195001044816' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/7666520195001044816'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/7666520195001044816'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/04/german-cartoon-offends-some-saddens-me.html' title='German cartoon offends some / saddens me'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S8NKoy__cbI/AAAAAAAACRw/39AroJd0gto/s72-c/titanic+magazine.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-9087637765420345487</id><published>2010-04-10T13:42:00.002+01:00</published><updated>2010-04-10T13:45:06.636+01:00</updated><title type='text'>7 Ordinations in England &amp; Wales</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S8ByXDdjm6I/AAAAAAAACRo/vk4btt4FkJ4/s1600/Prostration-New-Priests-%26-Deacon.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S8ByXDdjm6I/AAAAAAAACRo/vk4btt4FkJ4/s320/Prostration-New-Priests-%26-Deacon.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I was very kindly invited for drinks with Roman Catholic Clergy at a London presbytery. As I looked around the room, half the Roman Catholic clergy were ex-Anglicans, which supported my long held intuition that really quite serious decline in the English Roman Catholic Church is masked by convert clergy, which combined with the influx of Eastern European Roman Catholics make things &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;appear&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; stable.  Under the surface things are very far from stable; how many Roman Catholic Clergy were ordained in England and Wales last year ? The answer is;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: x-large;"&gt;7&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;That's right, one more than six and one less than eight !.  The CofE number is around 500 (can't be exact because I can't find the statistics on-line, but it was 500 in the previous year).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;You can proclaim the glories of celibacy and how it's not at all to blame for paedophilia, you can proclaim the glories of the Latin mass and compare those who criticise the Pope for inaction with anti-Semites BUT people have &lt;u&gt;voted with their feet&lt;/u&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I have Roman Catholic friends who KNOW that unless there is serious and deep rooted reform, of the 2nd Vatican Council kind, Roman Catholicism will collapse in the West within a generation, and that's not  a wild assertion sadly it's supported by these kind of hard facts.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-9087637765420345487?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/9087637765420345487/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=9087637765420345487' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/9087637765420345487'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/9087637765420345487'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/04/7-ordinations-in-england-wales.html' title='7 Ordinations in England &amp; Wales'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S8ByXDdjm6I/AAAAAAAACRo/vk4btt4FkJ4/s72-c/Prostration-New-Priests-%26-Deacon.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-5634241369236961359</id><published>2010-04-10T12:03:00.005+01:00</published><updated>2010-04-10T14:19:45.527+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Half of FiF clergy to have retired within 10 years</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;As you've probably know some are seriously considering the possibility that women Bishops won't happen for around 10 years and that when it does happen it will be without any provision for those opposed. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;That set me wondering what the church might look like in ten years time; which led me to start comparing FiF clergy with their age as declared in Crockfords and putting the data on a spread sheet. Oh my !&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Here's what I can tell you:-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Forward in Faith Clergy&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Average age 58&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;In 2020 (ten years time) 52% will be 65 or over&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;11% are 30-40 years of age&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;15% are 40-50 years of age&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;24% are 50-60 years of age&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;24% are 60-70 years of age&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;26% are over 70 years of age&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S8BojqYFhoI/AAAAAAAACRY/YRw9s7lQMNs/s1600/graph.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="242" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S8BojqYFhoI/AAAAAAAACRY/YRw9s7lQMNs/s400/graph.JPG" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Forward in Faith claim around 500 clergy members which includes retired clergy, this is roughly equal to 2.6% of C of E clergy.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Forward in Faith have relatively few new vocations, compared with the wider church.  Projecting current vocations into the future, in 20 years (2030) Forward in Faith (C of E) will have only 125 working (stipendiary) clergy members.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;None of this takes into account those who might leave for Rome.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #990000;"&gt;My Conclusions;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Punching above their weight&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;This is a group who punch far above their statistical weight, at 2½ percent they ought to be a small minority voice, but time and again they have made the national news and influenced decision way beyond their actual numbers.  If they all went to Rome tomorrow, it could be business as usual in the C of E, because their actual numbers are insignificant.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Theology, Symbolism and Perception&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Clearly the FiF hoo haa is more about theology, symbolism and perception than concern about the loss of clergy numbers.  Is the inclusion of conservative Anglo-Catholics necessary for Anglican identity ?  Would their departure damage the Anglican claim to be both Catholic and Reformed ?  How do you balance the FiF wish to exclude women from Priesthood and Leadership (Bishops) against Women's right to be included and treated as equal ?  If a working compromise can not be found, would it be so wrong to part company ?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Time &amp;amp; Demographics&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;As I've blogged before; FiF does not have time on it's side, the issues it seeks to raise are of a specific time and place, the issues of a singular generation.  Not only will there be significantly less of them in 10 and 20 years but the church and world will move on.  People shouldn't forget that the Holy Spirit is subversive; John 23rd was elected Pope and everyone thought he would be a caretaker and a safe pair of hands.  He changed the Roman Catholic Church forever with the 2nd Vatican Council.  In 20 years we could so easily have married and women clergy in the Roman Church.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Methodology&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I used the clergy named on the Bishop of Fulham's web site and Crockfords Clerical Directory.  My assumptions are that the Fulham Jurisdiction is typical of FiF and that the Times of London largely reports truthfully.  If anyone wants to research and number crunch the whole of FiF to prove me wrong by a few percent, feel free.  If I've made a serious statistical error I'll be delighted to print a correction, upon proof supplied.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-5634241369236961359?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/5634241369236961359/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=5634241369236961359' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/5634241369236961359'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/5634241369236961359'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/04/as-youve-probably-know-some-are.html' title='Half of FiF clergy to have retired within 10 years'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S8BojqYFhoI/AAAAAAAACRY/YRw9s7lQMNs/s72-c/graph.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-6059303721772748087</id><published>2010-04-09T16:30:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2010-04-09T16:30:50.130+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Uganda and Bishop Elect Mary Glasspool</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S79H2GqRBCI/AAAAAAAACRI/RFKboZQyRq4/s1600/mg1.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="117" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S79H2GqRBCI/AAAAAAAACRI/RFKboZQyRq4/s400/mg1.JPG" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;So Mr Orombi, the Primate of Uganda, has resigned from the Standing Committee of the Anglican Communion because he has heard that the North American Church doesn't persecute homosexuals properly or indeed enough.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Clearly he's under the impression that the Anglican Communion has the right to tell it's autonomous provinces how to behave and who the love (in both senses).  If that were so the European and North American churches would long ago have demanded the removal of Archbishop Akinola for saying homosexuals were worse than '&lt;i&gt;dogs and pigs&lt;/i&gt;' &lt;b&gt;OR&lt;/b&gt; we would have demanded the resignation of &lt;b&gt;ALL&lt;/b&gt; the Ugandan Bishops for keeping silence when a law was proposed in their country criminalising homosexuality with the death penalty.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The Anglican Communion is a meeting or collection of autonomous provinces; there is no means of enforcing uniformity of belief or practice, get over it, ECUSA are perfectly entitled to elect who they chose as a Bishop and there is NOTHING you can do about it.  That's the difference between Rome and Canterbury; one is about uniformity, power, and enforcement and the other is about respecting &amp;amp; understanding difference whilst trying to find common ground;- unity in diversity.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I'm not sure who is divorcing who here;- Orombi and Akinola don't want to be in the same church as Mary Glasspool, but frankly their beliefs bear so little resemblance to mine that I'm tempted to help them pack !&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-6059303721772748087?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/6059303721772748087/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=6059303721772748087' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/6059303721772748087'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/6059303721772748087'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/04/uganda-and-bishop-elect-mary-glasspool.html' title='Uganda and Bishop Elect Mary Glasspool'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S79H2GqRBCI/AAAAAAAACRI/RFKboZQyRq4/s72-c/mg1.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-6230297307575332914</id><published>2010-03-31T20:53:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2010-03-31T20:53:56.714+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Full, open and blatant schism</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S7OoR0KLBcI/AAAAAAAACRA/W1p-Q2woibo/s1600/St+Paul%27s.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="247" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S7OoR0KLBcI/AAAAAAAACRA/W1p-Q2woibo/s400/St+Paul%27s.jpg" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;On Maundy Thursday I shall go to our cathedral, renew my ordination vows, receive communion from my Bishop(s) and collect oils for use throughout the year, as will thousands of other priests, deacons and lay ministers across the country.  It's an occasion that symbolises and embodies communion, in the full sense.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;As usual every member of Forward in Faith (FiF) will be absent, having set up and attended their own, schismatic, chrism mass.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;This leads me to reflect on the eve of Maundy Thursday, how exactly am I in communion with members of Forward in Faith ?  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The answer is that I am not in communion with members of Forward in Faith !  They will not and do not received or share communion with me or my Bishop(s).  Members of Forward in Faith have to all intents and purposes left, abandoned and deserted the Church of England, the only vestige of the their membership being the occupation of Anglican property and payment of Anglican stipends.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Does nobody share my outrage at this blatant act of schism ? Has everybody come to regard this as normal and acceptable ?  Is this treating fellow Christians as if they've got a nasty communicable disease evenly vaguely Christ like ? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The irony of Anglicanorum coetibus is that Rome wouldn't accept this behaviour and schism for 30 seconds;- if Forward in Faith set up a separate chrism mass in the Roman Catholic Church, excommunication would be quickly followed by unemployment.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Whilst I love our church for it's tolerance and diversity I just really wonder how much longer we can go on like this ? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-6230297307575332914?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/6230297307575332914/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=6230297307575332914' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/6230297307575332914'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/6230297307575332914'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/03/full-open-and-blatant-schism.html' title='Full, open and blatant schism'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S7OoR0KLBcI/AAAAAAAACRA/W1p-Q2woibo/s72-c/St+Paul%27s.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-7017063443048742766</id><published>2010-03-31T17:46:00.002+01:00</published><updated>2010-03-31T17:48:55.296+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Pope to become Archbishop of Canterbury</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S7N8SzJkb6I/AAAAAAAACQ4/Y8kyRUuweeY/s1600/pope+%26+archbishop+of+canterbury.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="307" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S7N8SzJkb6I/AAAAAAAACQ4/Y8kyRUuweeY/s320/pope+%26+archbishop+of+canterbury.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Yes, you read that right ! On his visit in September this year the Pope is going to be the Archbishop of Canterbury for a day.  See the article here &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://bit.ly/9cdj5O"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;http://bit.ly/9cdj5O&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I wonder what those so keen to leave the Anglican church will make of that ? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I wonder what that means for Apostolicae Curae ?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I wonder what that means for Ecumenical relations ?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Frankly you can just ignore those shouting that ordaining women had killed ARCIC because the quiet truth is that there is great deal of respect for the Anglican Church in Rome.  Many Roman Catholics know that women priests will come to Rome, sooner or latter and that Anglicanorum coetibus was addressed to North American former Anglicans who had already left the Episcopal church.  The idea that the Pope wrote Anglicanorum coetibus for a dozen disaffected UK Anglicans&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;is laughable.&amp;nbsp; So it's business as usual on the ecumenical front .. excellent !&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-7017063443048742766?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/7017063443048742766/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=7017063443048742766' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/7017063443048742766'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/7017063443048742766'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/03/pope-to-become-archbishop-of-canterbury.html' title='Pope to become Archbishop of Canterbury'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S7N8SzJkb6I/AAAAAAAACQ4/Y8kyRUuweeY/s72-c/pope+%26+archbishop+of+canterbury.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-7465497606218115439</id><published>2010-03-19T13:02:00.002Z</published><updated>2010-03-19T13:04:41.853Z</updated><title type='text'>Cranmer</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S6N1SjfqupI/AAAAAAAACQw/nFfEvU7xyfM/s1600-h/Cranmer.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="472" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S6N1SjfqupI/AAAAAAAACQw/nFfEvU7xyfM/s640/Cranmer.JPG" width="640" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I simply draw your attention to the 666th Twitter follower of the right-wing blogger Cranmer. Most apt.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-7465497606218115439?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/7465497606218115439/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=7465497606218115439' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/7465497606218115439'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/7465497606218115439'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/03/cranmer.html' title='Cranmer'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S6N1SjfqupI/AAAAAAAACQw/nFfEvU7xyfM/s72-c/Cranmer.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-3883583851923690308</id><published>2010-03-14T00:40:00.003Z</published><updated>2010-03-14T00:49:42.006Z</updated><title type='text'>Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S5wvwdj7hRI/AAAAAAAACQo/InhSgS17NS4/s1600-h/Benedict+16th.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S5wvwdj7hRI/AAAAAAAACQo/InhSgS17NS4/s320/Benedict+16th.jpg" width="222" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Two simple lists, one big problem:-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Current issues facing the Roman Catholic Church&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;• Majority take little notice of ethical teaching&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;• Majority don't see celibacy as necessary or desirable for clergy&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;• Majority wouldn't object to women clergy&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;• Majority want more of a say / power&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;• Majority see Rome / Curia as severely out of touch / isolated from reality&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Major initiatives by Benedict 16th&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;• Re-introducing the Latin Mass&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;• Lifting the excommunication of SSPX&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;• Offer to disaffected Anglicans&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Metaphor that comes to mind; rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-3883583851923690308?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/3883583851923690308/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=3883583851923690308' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/3883583851923690308'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/3883583851923690308'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/03/rearranging-deck-chairs-on-titanic.html' title='Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S5wvwdj7hRI/AAAAAAAACQo/InhSgS17NS4/s72-c/Benedict+16th.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-5593832068218322406</id><published>2010-03-11T16:19:00.002Z</published><updated>2010-03-11T16:24:38.972Z</updated><title type='text'>Roma-il-mare</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S5kXR-mSnXI/AAAAAAAACQY/pEBAklOnQBE/s1600-h/acns4400af.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="150" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S5kXR-mSnXI/AAAAAAAACQY/pEBAklOnQBE/s200/acns4400af.jpg" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;A comment on a previous post;- &lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #660000;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;'The laity aint havin it - Anglicanorum coetibus'&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt; by my learned colleague &lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #20124d;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://myclericalerrors.blogspot.com/"&gt;'The Grumpy Cleric'&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt; (see it here &lt;a href="http://bit.ly/a2en5a"&gt;http://bit.ly/a2en5a&lt;/a&gt;) has reminded me to say something about those planning to retire to Rome-il-mare.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;A fairly large percentage (60-75%?) of those considering becoming Roman Catholic under Anglicanorum coetibus are within 10 years or less of retirement age.  This raises the real possibility of  FiF clergy becoming Roman Catholics whilst being financially supported by our Anglican pension scheme, at very considerable cost.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;No doubt some will argue an entitlement to the pension on the basis of years of ministry.  But I think there is a moral question to be asked.  Considering that many loyal Anglicans will have to give sacrificially and very generously indeed to fund the pension scheme at a time of financial austerity and pension shortfall; is it right they should have to pay a pension to those who desert the church of their baptism, ministry and communion for another?  Is that morally defensible? At the very least it's a question that has to be asked.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The stipend is not as such a salary or entitlement but an allowance on which to live; whether the pension, based on a stipend is a legal entitlement  remains to be seen / tested.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Correct me if I'm wrong but did it not used to be the case that those who deserted the church and joined another were deprived of their orders and thereby had their pension entitlement reduced to 1/32nd of the original total.  I mention this because I think the debate on the morality of pension payments ought NOT to take place with a presumption of impotence on the part of the C of E.  I think a helpful and cooperative attitude would be engendered if everyone understood that no-one goes to Rome with their pension in tact as a right, but as a gift, if appropriate, of the sending church.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;It also occurs to me that an agreement amongst all the main stream denominations that churches receiving clergy take on responsibility for their pension liability to date would stop churches getting other denominations clergy en-mass on the cheap.  The 'entirely self financing' aspiration of the proposed ordinate strikes me as somewhere between unrealistic and frankly uncharitable; Rome is asking a lot of people, especially younger men with families, to sacrifice security &amp;amp; a regular income for a very uncertain &amp;amp; unspecified future.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S5kYg3XGCqI/AAAAAAAACQg/SIlyLWP-KVY/s1600-h/pension.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S5kYg3XGCqI/AAAAAAAACQg/SIlyLWP-KVY/s320/pension.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-5593832068218322406?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/5593832068218322406/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=5593832068218322406' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/5593832068218322406'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/5593832068218322406'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/03/rome-il-mare.html' title='Roma-il-mare'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S5kXR-mSnXI/AAAAAAAACQY/pEBAklOnQBE/s72-c/acns4400af.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-8704846379237647582</id><published>2010-03-11T13:58:00.003Z</published><updated>2010-03-13T14:54:39.400Z</updated><title type='text'>The Death Cookie</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S5j2XK8R0fI/AAAAAAAACQQ/DK1Bl5_KOnQ/s1600-h/Conner+Heights+Baptist+Church.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="150" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S5j2XK8R0fI/AAAAAAAACQQ/DK1Bl5_KOnQ/s200/Conner+Heights+Baptist+Church.JPG" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;In the shadow of the Great Smokey mountains, around 30km from Knoxville Tennessee, in a town called Pigeon Forge; The small congregation of Conner Heights Baptist Church purchased and distributed a leaflet entitled 'The Death Cookie', the title being a reference to the Eucharistic bread.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;It so upset local Roman Catholics that the Bishop Richard F. Stika said to the local press that he was “greatly saddened by the reprehensible acts of prejudice and hatred of a few souls who, out of ignorance of Catholic teachings, have promoted the distribution of anti-Catholic tracts.”  The Baptist pastor, Rev. Jonathan Hatcher, then ended the distribution, expressing regret. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Wondering what could possibly cause such offence I found the offending tract on the internet, and you can see it @ &lt;a href="http://bit.ly/dye88U"&gt;http://bit.ly/dye88U&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;This is an excerpt:-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S5j2PsduPAI/AAAAAAAACQI/HJ_9RSz6X_E/s1600-h/death+cookie.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="210" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S5j2PsduPAI/AAAAAAAACQI/HJ_9RSz6X_E/s400/death+cookie.JPG" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;It all seems pretty unexceptional to me.  You can find such sentiments expressed in print, and now the internet, throughout the world.  A visit to the Protestant Truth Society in Fleet Street will open your eyes if you never seen this kind of thing before.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;It all leaves me wondering if the resort to (self) censorship on the grounds of offence caused isn't a big mistake.  Can faith / religion really be beyond criticism and debate ?  Some people are so easily offended by the mildest criticism, must we avoid upsetting them at all costs ?  Surely robust debate is legitimate ? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I don't particularly like what Chick Publications are printing, much of it deeply flawed, factually incorrect and inclined towards incredible (literally) conspiracy, but I think I'd happily defend their right to free speech and a rigorous debate. &amp;nbsp;Don't&amp;nbsp;censor&amp;nbsp;them; answer them back !&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;If you've a few free minutes you can see other unbelievable (literally) publications by the same company here;- &lt;a href="http://bit.ly/cHXwbA"&gt;http://bit.ly/cHXwbA&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-8704846379237647582?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/8704846379237647582/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=8704846379237647582' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/8704846379237647582'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/8704846379237647582'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/03/death-cookie.html' title='The Death Cookie'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S5j2XK8R0fI/AAAAAAAACQQ/DK1Bl5_KOnQ/s72-c/Conner+Heights+Baptist+Church.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-4513888941364818359</id><published>2010-03-04T15:26:00.000Z</published><updated>2010-03-04T15:26:28.685Z</updated><title type='text'>Abused then asked to pay</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;In a truly world class public relations disaster, the RC Bishop of Ferns Dennis Brennan (South East Ireland) has caused widespread outrage by asking parishioners to help pay the legal and compensation costs of a clerical abuse scandal in the Diocese.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S4_REHhbZ-I/AAAAAAAACQA/hNuQK47KGrA/s1600-h/cross.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S4_REHhbZ-I/AAAAAAAACQA/hNuQK47KGrA/s320/cross.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The Ferns Diocese alone has paid compensation of €8 million with additional legal costs of €4 million, arising from 60 civil court actions, of which 12 are still pending.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Whilst the bills facing the Diocese may be high it appears that no one stopped to ask themselves if an appeal for the parishes / laity to pay was appropriate given the nature of the scandal.  Clearly those in power have failed to grasp the sheer depth of anger felt by church members at not just the abuse but also the subsequent cover-ups. The relationship between the Irish people and Roman Catholic Church has never been lower.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Reaction to the appeal for funds has ranged from refusal to pay to suggestions that the diocese sell assets instead, in particular the former Bishop's Palace and Diocesan Headquarters.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;My advice is that if you really can't afford a Public Relations Advisor, at least think carefully about what you say, preferably before you say it.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;A summary of compensation paid and outstanding cases in Ireland @ &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://bit.ly/dBmLfH"&gt;http://bit.ly/dBmLfH&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Story of the Ferns Diocese sexual abuse scandal @&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://bit.ly/9Rncy6"&gt;http://bit.ly/9Rncy6&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Reaction&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Vatican should pay @ &lt;a href="http://bit.ly/9hW5Gi"&gt;http://bit.ly/9hW5Gi&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Absolutely disgusting @ &lt;a href="http://bit.ly/bYN7v4"&gt;http://bit.ly/bYN7v4&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Nothing lower @ &lt;a href="http://bit.ly/bTJLsS"&gt;http://bit.ly/bTJLsS&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-4513888941364818359?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/4513888941364818359/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=4513888941364818359' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' 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width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-5992642820412849575</id><published>2010-03-04T01:58:00.001Z</published><updated>2010-03-04T01:59:03.008Z</updated><title type='text'>The laity aint havin it - Anglicanorum coetibus</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S48SrAYNIKI/AAAAAAAACP4/6_7Owy-x4es/s1600-h/ac.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="200" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S48SrAYNIKI/AAAAAAAACP4/6_7Owy-x4es/s200/ac.jpg" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I had a really fascinating conversation today with an FiF lay church member whose priest is trying, without success, to persuade the congregation to join him in a swim across the tiber.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;It transpires that parish meetings on the matter have been very poorly attended, proposed PCC motions 'accepting' Anglicanorum coetibus have been watered down to a polite 'welcome' and apathy mixed with disinterest, is the general order of the day. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Now we all know of FiF clergy who strong armed their congregations into motions A B &amp;amp; C but apparently  leaving the good old C of E is a bridge, or indeed a swim, too far.  The laity just aren't as excited about this as the clergy.  And there's a good reason for that; the laity have always been able to change church quiet easily, and some have done so over the years.  That means that most lay church members are actually quite loyal to their denomination and consequently don't have much understanding, or indeed much sympathy, for clergy drawing Anglican stipends whilst advocating membership of the church of Rome.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;In addition the average Anglican has a strong attachment to&amp;nbsp;their&amp;nbsp;physical church building.  The idea that masses of lay people are going to forsake their treasured and beloved church buildings for functional and dull school halls is most, most unlikely.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;So it would appear that interest in Anglicanorum coetibus is largely a matter peculiar to the clergy.   Peculiar being an apt choice of word.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-5992642820412849575?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/5992642820412849575/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=5992642820412849575' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/5992642820412849575'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/5992642820412849575'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/03/laity-aint-havin-it-anglicanorum.html' title='The laity aint havin it - Anglicanorum coetibus'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S48SrAYNIKI/AAAAAAAACP4/6_7Owy-x4es/s72-c/ac.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-4918785633197381478</id><published>2010-03-03T19:14:00.000Z</published><updated>2010-03-03T19:14:21.977Z</updated><title type='text'>New Pope Needed</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;It's very easy to knock an organisation, criticise and complain, but not so easy to step up and say constructively what you'd do if you were in charge.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;So instead of complaining about the shortcomings of the current leadership of the Roman Catholic Church I thought I draft out my own personal manifesto. Here's what I'd do if I were elected Pope !&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Celibacy / Marriage / Women Clergy&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I'd immediately allow clergy to marry and admit women to the priesthood and the episcopy on an absolutely and totally equal basis.  This would transform the church overnight, and be hugely popular with the vast majority of members.  Women in leadership change organisations for the better and on just one issue; child sexual abuse by the clergy, women would ensure the mistakes of the past are never repeated.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Office by election&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;All church officials;- Area Deans, Bishops,  Archbishops, Cardinals and the Pope will be elected by the whole church on a one member one vote basis, including all baptised members.  Can you image what a massive difference it would make to have elections for all positions of leadership ? An final end to the old boys network, old college networks etc.  Let us choose our church leaders on merit, track record, spirituality, ability to the do the job and popular consent.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Decentralisation&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The curia in Rome will be dissolved and all powers devolved to the National Churches.  I will publically apologise for the acts of repression by the Papacy and Curia, in particular the suppression of liberation theology.  I will also publically apologise for the church supporting various unchristian right wing regimes, especially in Latin America.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Primus Inter-Pares&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The Pope will return to being 'first among equals' within the College of Cardinals.  Ring kissing and genuflecting to the pope will be banned.   As Pope I will walk bear foot from Rome to Assisi, as an act of penance for the lack of humility by my predecessors and pray at the shrine of St Francis for forgiveness.  Future Popes will retire at 75, or be removed through a vote of no-confidence by the college of cardinals.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;3rd Vatican Council&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I will call a 3rd Vatican Council, to be held not in Rome but in Africa, among the poorest, to decide upon the way forward for the church. With decisions taken by majority voting and participants drawn not just from the clergy but also from the laity.  On the agenda will be an end to indulgences, and an end to the prohibition on contraception, an end to the modern Marian dogmas, an end to papal infallibility, the withdrawal of the filioque clause from the creed and the introduction of church councils for every parish to work in cooperation with the priest in administering parishes.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Ending Exclusivity&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I'd celebrate mass and invite every Christian of good will to take communion with me, thus ending the exclusivity of the Roman Catholic Church permanently.  I'd apologise for the excesses that led to the Reformation and Counter Reformation and invite other church leaders and denominations to consider joining a new confederation of churches in communion with each other but still retaining their distinctive character and practices.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-4918785633197381478?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/4918785633197381478/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=4918785633197381478' title='8 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/4918785633197381478'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/4918785633197381478'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/03/new-pope-needed.html' title='New Pope Needed'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><thr:total>8</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-7928798382901583819</id><published>2010-02-26T17:15:00.003Z</published><updated>2010-02-26T18:45:47.133Z</updated><title type='text'>Wine advice - go for the animal on the label</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S4gBKvFAPvI/AAAAAAAACPE/O71gQ2FPMdI/s1600-h/Hedonist.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="200" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S4gBKvFAPvI/AAAAAAAACPE/O71gQ2FPMdI/s200/Hedonist.jpg" width="176" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I have been interested in wine since the 1980's.  I was one of the first members of the Sunday Times Wine Club, one of the first customers of Majestic Wine Warehouse when it opened in London.  I have taken courses, visited vineyards, bored people into a stupor at dinner parties and I have drunk literally thousands of bottles of wine.  So I like to think that I know something about wine. However ....&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S4gBPKZ8zfI/AAAAAAAACPM/s0d3t6ZsBYA/s1600-h/Porcupine+Ridge.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="200" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S4gBPKZ8zfI/AAAAAAAACPM/s0d3t6ZsBYA/s200/Porcupine+Ridge.JPG" width="71" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I got married last Summer to Mrs Augustine of Canterbury who chooses wine not by the country, region, grape variety or vintage but by the animal on the label.  Yes that's right;- she looks along the shelves for an animal image on the label and buys that wine.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S4gBUHXvjsI/AAAAAAAACPU/3vVc5BC6WTA/s1600-h/Yellow+Tail.png" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="200" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S4gBUHXvjsI/AAAAAAAACPU/3vVc5BC6WTA/s200/Yellow+Tail.png" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Now you might have thought that this somewhat eccentric method of choosing a wine would lead, sooner or later, to something truly revolting and undrinkable, but every wine chosen has been a good choice.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S4gBZBwbpYI/AAAAAAAACPc/prmGMR9SzDM/s1600-h/Leopards+Leap.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="200" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S4gBZBwbpYI/AAAAAAAACPc/prmGMR9SzDM/s200/Leopards+Leap.jpg" width="150" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;God is clearly having the last laugh because 30 years experience of wine drinking has been superseded by the simple search for an animal on the label.  I searched in vain for correlation between quality, price, flavour and the choice of images for wine labels, but I'm no nearer to understanding this phenomenon.  Next time you're in the supermarket wine aisle, test the theory and let me know what you think.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S4gBds0CgkI/AAAAAAAACPk/jOaQCvMfxhM/s1600-h/Southern+Ridge+Pinotage.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="200" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S4gBds0CgkI/AAAAAAAACPk/jOaQCvMfxhM/s200/Southern+Ridge+Pinotage.JPG" width="81" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-7928798382901583819?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/7928798382901583819/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=7928798382901583819' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/7928798382901583819'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/7928798382901583819'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/02/i-have-been-interested-in-wine-since.html' title='Wine advice - go for the animal on the label'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S4gBKvFAPvI/AAAAAAAACPE/O71gQ2FPMdI/s72-c/Hedonist.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-7550898362896213988</id><published>2010-02-26T14:59:00.002Z</published><updated>2010-02-26T15:16:08.687Z</updated><title type='text'>Am I more effective on-line than in person ?</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S4fhlkGMbdI/AAAAAAAACO8/gf_P5yI-lEs/s1600-h/qw.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="48" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S4fhlkGMbdI/AAAAAAAACO8/gf_P5yI-lEs/s400/qw.JPG" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I'm wondering if I'm more effective on-line or in person.  It's a serious question because:-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;23k have visited the parish web site I run which is more than have &lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #990000;"&gt;EVER&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; visited the actual church building in it's 97 year history.  I guess that visiting the physical building might have more of an impact on a person than simply reading a web page on-line, but the fact remains the web site has been read by &lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #990000;"&gt;350 times&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; more people than visit the church in the same period.  Does that make a web site 350 times more efficient at communicating the gospel ?  Are peoples lives changed by what they encounter on-line ?  I'm asking this question out loud because research shows (&lt;a href="http://bit.ly/d5fmGH"&gt;http://bit.ly/d5fmGH&lt;/a&gt;) that around 50% of churches have no useful internet presence, are they missing a really important opportunity ? I think so.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Around 100 people read this blog each week, which is more than actually hear / listen to my preaching on a Sunday morning (on the basis that half the congregation appear to be asleep!).  It might be said that blogs are only glanced at rarely remembered but I've read some profound &amp;amp; moving blogs, as good, as memorable and as moving as any sermon.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;When it comes to choosing how to spend your time, I'm beginning to think that an on-line presence isn't an optional extra but essential part of any enterprise, which includes the church and the mission of preaching the gospel.  Whereas some of us have a tendency to felt guilty about spending time on-line on the basis that it is not really work, I now think the exact opposite is true;- it's essential work.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;This blog was inspired by reading a twitter from Simon Rundell - ' Just spent a brilliant lunchtime. Now back to pushing pixels on behalf of the Gospel...' &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-7550898362896213988?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/7550898362896213988/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=7550898362896213988' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/7550898362896213988'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/7550898362896213988'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/02/am-i-more-effective-on-line-than-in.html' title='Am I more effective on-line than in person ?'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S4fhlkGMbdI/AAAAAAAACO8/gf_P5yI-lEs/s72-c/qw.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-6563343437590943345</id><published>2010-02-25T15:46:00.007Z</published><updated>2010-02-25T15:53:27.956Z</updated><title type='text'>Recommended Reading</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;For following all things Roman I can &lt;b&gt;thoroughly&lt;/b&gt; recommend;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://clericalwhispers.blogspot.com/"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;b&gt;http://clericalwhispers.blogspot.com/&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S4abD9JLqBI/AAAAAAAACO0/l3STtiDgjvw/s1600-h/cw.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S4abD9JLqBI/AAAAAAAACO0/l3STtiDgjvw/s320/cw.JPG" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://whispersintheloggia.blogspot.com/"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;b&gt;http://whispersintheloggia.blogspot.com/&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S4aayuYGYOI/AAAAAAAACOs/vxQUoRgjLo8/s1600-h/wh.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S4aayuYGYOI/AAAAAAAACOs/vxQUoRgjLo8/s320/wh.JPG" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-6563343437590943345?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/6563343437590943345/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=6563343437590943345' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/6563343437590943345'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/6563343437590943345'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/02/recommended-reading.html' title='Recommended Reading'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S4abD9JLqBI/AAAAAAAACO0/l3STtiDgjvw/s72-c/cw.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-6830944847961759945</id><published>2010-02-25T15:24:00.001Z</published><updated>2010-02-25T15:30:41.359Z</updated><title type='text'>Clerical Sexual Abuse</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S4aXfEg2ycI/AAAAAAAACOk/TQnimYMdN9E/s1600-h/clerical+whispers.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="180" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S4aXfEg2ycI/AAAAAAAACOk/TQnimYMdN9E/s200/clerical+whispers.jpg" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I subscribe to a number of Roman Catholic blogs &amp;amp; news feeds and there is an astonishing and frankly deeply depressing stream of stories about clerical sexual abuse and paedophilia.  It's made me wonder why the problem seems to be significantly worse in the Roman Catholic Church ? and why the reported incidence this kind of abuse in other churches is lower ?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;In short is there something particular about the Roman Catholic Church, its teaching or organisation that makes it more prone to incidents of sexual abuse ?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Compulsory Celibacy&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I think that the enforced celibacy of the Roman Clergy contributes to the problem.  I'm aware that the Roman church can point to thousands of celibate clergy who have not engaged in sexual abuse and yet the incidence of abuse by clergy from churches that allow the marriage of clergy is demonstrably lower.  I suggest there is a strong circumstantial link, even if we don't know the exact causal mechanism.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Authoritarian Church Culture &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Clearly one of the major problems that allowed abuse to go on for years unchecked is an authoritarian culture which views clergy as above criticism or complaint.  The almost 'God' like regard with which ordinary Roman Catholics were taught to hold the clergy meant people were afraid to speak out, worried about not being believed and so just kept quiet.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Authoritarian Church Structure&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The extremely authoritarian structure of the church allowed offenders to be dealt with in secret without public accountability.  Indeed accountability appears to be a one way street in the Roman Catholic Church, upwards.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Theology of Priesthood&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;An almost old testament theology of priesthood, literally forever, meant that clergy were very rarely suspended or even stopped from active ministry and given second chances way beyond what the outside world would consider reasonable or safe.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;No Women in Leadership&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I've a lot of sympathy with the suggestion that if women had been involved in the leadership of the Roman Catholic Church that things would be very different.  Sexual abuse and it's long term systematic cover up seems to be a very male problem.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;So;-&lt;/b&gt; is the Roman Catholic Church to blame for the sexual abuse by it's clergy ? No the individuals are to blame, but Rome &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;IS&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; responsible for creating a culture in which the abuse festered, went unchecked and under reported.  Even now Rome is in deep denial about the extent to which it actively contributed to this tragedy.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-6830944847961759945?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/6830944847961759945/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=6830944847961759945' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/6830944847961759945'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/6830944847961759945'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/02/clerical-sexual-abuse.html' title='Clerical Sexual Abuse'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S4aXfEg2ycI/AAAAAAAACOk/TQnimYMdN9E/s72-c/clerical+whispers.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-8382518624554365166</id><published>2010-02-24T13:06:00.001Z</published><updated>2010-02-24T13:07:40.605Z</updated><title type='text'>Don't Canonise John Paul II - It's a mistake &amp; precedent you'll regret</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S4UkB-V1HlI/AAAAAAAACOY/2IVJmVcCjt0/s1600-h/Grottoes-John+Paul+II+tomb-b.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S4UkB-V1HlI/AAAAAAAACOY/2IVJmVcCjt0/s320/Grottoes-John+Paul+II+tomb-b.jpg" width="214" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The Catholic News Agency (&lt;a href="http://bit.ly/bgXVxt"&gt;http://bit.ly/bgXVxt&lt;/a&gt;) quotes John Paul II personal secretary (now Archbishop of Krakow, Cardinal Stanislaw Dziwisz) as saying the process to the make the former Pope a saint is “is practically finished.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I've already blogged on why I wouldn't commend him for sainthood (&lt;a href="http://bit.ly/9Xdn8k"&gt;http://bit.ly/9Xdn8k&lt;/a&gt;) now I want to raise a second and perhaps more important objection:- &lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #990000;"&gt;we're missing the judgement of history&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;There are tried and tested reasons why the church has traditionally taken it's time in creating saints, one of them being; mature and wise judgement only comes with time and perspective.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The crowds at John Paul's funeral chanting 'Santo Subito' (literally saint now) were obviously high on emotion but that really shouldn't influence the process.  Neither should the fact that John Paul's pontificate is so closely allied to the current pontiff.  Is it right that one Pope should canonise his immediate predecessor, especially when he was the 'right hand man' ? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;In contrast to the current rush to make saints; a waiting period of some 50 to 100 years gives an opportunity for history, time, maturity &amp;amp; wisdom to give their judgement on a persons life and spirituality.  The shortened process just seems to be somewhat shallow.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I suspect the judgement of history will be that there was nothing spectacular about John Paul II pontificate; yes he was indeed the first Pope to use the media and travel but most of his encyclicals were backward looking and highly conservative. He led his church further into the ghetto of those pretending the modern world isn't happening.  The really spectacular Pope of modern times is still in waiting, someone, like John 23rd, keeping their head down until elected, who will liberate the church from it's slavery to central control.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-8382518624554365166?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/8382518624554365166/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=8382518624554365166' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/8382518624554365166'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/8382518624554365166'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/02/dont-canonise-john-paul-ii-its-mistake.html' title='Don&apos;t Canonise John Paul II - It&apos;s a mistake &amp; precedent you&apos;ll regret'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S4UkB-V1HlI/AAAAAAAACOY/2IVJmVcCjt0/s72-c/Grottoes-John+Paul+II+tomb-b.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-1001039589756718222</id><published>2010-02-21T06:07:00.002Z</published><updated>2010-02-21T06:17:11.957Z</updated><title type='text'>Time to decide ......</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S4DM3V8GRxI/AAAAAAAACOQ/gOlQvNVfHS4/s1600-h/pope+%26+canterbury.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S4DM3V8GRxI/AAAAAAAACOQ/gOlQvNVfHS4/s320/pope+%26+canterbury.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;So Monday 22nd February (tomorrow) is the feast of the Chair of St Peter and the day that those thinking of leaving the Anglican church for the Roman Catholic Church are going to declare their intentions, &lt;b&gt;or not&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The reason I write '&lt;b&gt;or not&lt;/b&gt;' is that the 1st date proposed was Candlemass (2nd February), this then changed to the Chair of St Peter (22nd February), the nature of the date then changed from a day to declare intentions to a day of prayer.  In short there has been a backtracking from a definite date to decide to a&amp;nbsp;indefinite&amp;nbsp;period of thinking about it.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Frankly, that's not good enough. By all means consider the matter carefully, take your time, but then make a decision.  We can't go on like this indefinitely; a date must be set by which time you're either committed to the Anglican Church or leaving for Rome.  Make up your mind.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;And how many will actually leave ?  I'm still predicting very few.  The harsh economic reality of the entirely self financing, non stipendary, no accommodation, no church buildings, Ordinate,  with the added smack of firm Roman government isn't a particularly attractive offer.  Only those with the firmest of theological convictions that Rome is right for them will actually make the sacrifice, eventually.  The rest will keep discussing the ordinate endlessly of which the end result will be 99.9% talk 0.1% action.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Associated blogs:-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Why I'm not going to Rome&lt;/b&gt; &lt;a href="http://bit.ly/a1XV7C"&gt;http://bit.ly/a1XV7C&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;The issue of property&lt;/b&gt; &lt;a href="http://bit.ly/36BR33"&gt;http://bit.ly/36BR33 &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;A positive agenda for Anglo-Catholicism&lt;/b&gt; &lt;a href="http://bit.ly/aW1Qbj"&gt;http://bit.ly/aW1Qbj&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;A counter offer&lt;/b&gt; &lt;a href="http://bit.ly/acnKRn"&gt;http://bit.ly/acnKRn&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-1001039589756718222?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/1001039589756718222/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=1001039589756718222' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/1001039589756718222'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/1001039589756718222'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/02/time-to-decide.html' title='Time to decide ......'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S4DM3V8GRxI/AAAAAAAACOQ/gOlQvNVfHS4/s72-c/pope+%26+canterbury.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-4444439055902683401</id><published>2010-02-19T11:45:00.000Z</published><updated>2010-02-19T11:45:53.283Z</updated><title type='text'>Mary Co-Redemptrix : A dogma too far .....</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S355ytjfQMI/AAAAAAAACNw/58J-YUz5rqU/s1600-h/Capture.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S355ytjfQMI/AAAAAAAACNw/58J-YUz5rqU/s320/Capture.JPG" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;On the bottom shelf in the audio section, of Westminster Cathedral Bookshop lay un-purchased a set of audio cassettes entitled 'Mary Co-Redemptrix'.  I was so intrigued by the title I did a little research:-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;It is alleged that ancient authorities (Irenaeus &amp;amp; Aquinas) considered Mary's roll to be important or vital to the work of salvation.  Without Mary there would be no salvation therefore she shares Christ's work of saving humanity.  Her contribution is unequal to Christ's but important nevertheless.  Therefore she is co-redemptrix. Elements of the Roman Catholic Church are campaigning to make this an official dogma, i.e. necessary to believe this for salvation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The sheer audacity of this takes my breath away.  On this basis Pontius Pilate and Judas are both co-redemptrix, after all the plan of salvation couldn't have happened without them and both of them obeyed God's will, didn't they?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;There is also something deeper and darker here; this is a symptom of church adrift from any external source of authority, a church that believes itself to be the final authority, a church that barely nods in the direction of scripture, a church that is free to make up any new doctrine it fancies.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;And what's next, Mary the 4th person of the trinity ? Make no mistake that's exactly where this kind of theology is heading.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-4444439055902683401?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/4444439055902683401/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=4444439055902683401' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/4444439055902683401'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/4444439055902683401'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/02/mary-co-redemptrix-dogma-too-far.html' title='Mary Co-Redemptrix : A dogma too far .....'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S355ytjfQMI/AAAAAAAACNw/58J-YUz5rqU/s72-c/Capture.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-850740187743205991</id><published>2010-02-18T10:52:00.003Z</published><updated>2010-02-18T10:58:46.526Z</updated><title type='text'>Make the Pope Pay</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S30bonRrwsI/AAAAAAAACNo/-EryPiaMzac/s1600-h/make+the+pope+pay.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="87" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S30bonRrwsI/AAAAAAAACNo/-EryPiaMzac/s400/make+the+pope+pay.jpg" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Some 20,000 people have signed a petition asking that the Roman Catholic Church pay for the Popes visit to the UK rather than the taxpayer.  The estimated cost is £20 million pounds.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The petition is organised by the National Secular society and whilst I wouldn't normally support their initiatives, this one does have some merit;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Can it be right that Anglicans, Methodists, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and people of no faith pay for the papal visit ? When leaders of other faith communities visit their followers surely the cost is met by the faithful of that religion ?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;In the current financial climate, if we've got £20 million pounds to spare shouldn't we spend it on alleviating poverty, helping the unemployed back to work, or on schools and hospitals ?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I've got no problem with the Pope visiting his followers in the UK, I just think it shouldn't be funded by the taxpayer.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The actual words of the petition read:-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;"We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to ask the Catholic Church to pay for the proposed visit of the Pope to the UK and relieve the taxpayer of the estimated £20 million cost. We accept the right of the Pope to visit his followers in Britain, but public money would be better spent on hard-pressed schools, hospitals and social services which are facing cuts."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;And you can find the petition here &lt;a href="http://bit.ly/cozOCU"&gt;http://bit.ly/cozOCU &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-850740187743205991?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/850740187743205991/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=850740187743205991' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/850740187743205991'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/850740187743205991'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/02/make-pope-pay.html' title='Make the Pope Pay'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S30bonRrwsI/AAAAAAAACNo/-EryPiaMzac/s72-c/make+the+pope+pay.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-8786691082707895051</id><published>2010-02-10T10:22:00.001Z</published><updated>2010-02-10T10:23:09.469Z</updated><title type='text'>Synod will probably NOT vote for Women Bishops</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S3KIjWHcEqI/AAAAAAAACNg/5rDz0Pt5_Aw/s1600-h/general+synod.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="125" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S3KIjWHcEqI/AAAAAAAACNg/5rDz0Pt5_Aw/s200/general+synod.jpg" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict, what I have come to believe, through talking to synod members, that the legislation enabling women to become Bishops in the Church of England will fail to be passed by General Synod later this year&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Why ? Because the support of two particular groups is ebbing away from the legislation in it's currently proposed form;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The first group are those who have come to feel that insufficient safeguards for those opposed to women bishops mean they can no longer support the legislation, see (http://bit.ly/avn1VA).  This group contains some who formerly supported the legislation; given the narrow majority their change of mind is quite significant.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The second group are those for whom nothing but complete equality for women bishops is acceptable, i.e. absolutely no provision for those opposed.  This group supported the legislation and in particular the 'code of practice' option, as a means of achieving their aim of complete (or near) equality / parity for women bishops.  Now that they perceive that greater safeguards are likely (and  they perceive these greater safeguards as great inequality) they would rather the legislation fell this time so that in ten years time they might back with a full majority and not have to compromise.  In short they would rather wait ten years to get total parity then accept a compromise now. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Think about this for moment; - the real choice here is between a code of practice now or ten years of building sentiment until women bishops are authorised with absolutely no provision for those opposed.  So the choice for those opposed is:- the code of practice, nothing or the Roman option.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-8786691082707895051?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/8786691082707895051/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=8786691082707895051' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/8786691082707895051'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/8786691082707895051'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/02/synod-will-probably-not-vote-for-women.html' title='Synod will probably NOT vote for Women Bishops'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S3KIjWHcEqI/AAAAAAAACNg/5rDz0Pt5_Aw/s72-c/general+synod.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-2358818567189085976</id><published>2010-02-05T14:49:00.002Z</published><updated>2010-02-05T14:50:03.282Z</updated><title type='text'>Judge Cherie Booth QC</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S2wvmmcN1JI/AAAAAAAACNY/-oi4CnOh848/s1600-h/cherie-blair-pf4.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="200" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S2wvmmcN1JI/AAAAAAAACNY/-oi4CnOh848/s200/cherie-blair-pf4.jpg" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;So Cherie Blair QC, using her maiden name of Booth and judging one Shamso Miah for GBH; namely breaking a mans jaw with two punches over a dispute in a queue at the bank said ;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;“I am going to suspend this sentence for the period of two years based on the fact you are a religious person and have not been in trouble before... You are a religious man and you know this is not acceptable behaviour.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Needless to say this has caused a lot of comment, not lease of all from those of no faith in particular who take offence at the idea they are more likely to offend /&amp;nbsp;re-offend.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;It occurs to me that the exact opposite of Judge Booth's conclusion can be justified;-  If the offender, being of a religious conviction,  actually committed GBH, then clearly his religion has had little effect on his actions and he is therefore more likely re-offend.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Anyway asides from that I'm thinking of putting a poster up in the local court offering a way to reduce possible sentences by attending church and making a suitable donation, or would that be reprobate? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-2358818567189085976?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/2358818567189085976/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=2358818567189085976' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/2358818567189085976'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/2358818567189085976'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/02/judge-cherie-booth-qc.html' title='Judge Cherie Booth QC'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S2wvmmcN1JI/AAAAAAAACNY/-oi4CnOh848/s72-c/cherie-blair-pf4.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-5642702491021534882</id><published>2010-02-05T10:49:00.003Z</published><updated>2010-02-05T17:56:09.634Z</updated><title type='text'>Fr John Henry Newman - An Anglican</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S2v2rmV-EjI/AAAAAAAACNQ/cOlVdxvLIs4/s1600-h/newman+1.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S2v2rmV-EjI/AAAAAAAACNQ/cOlVdxvLIs4/s320/newman+1.jpg" width="228" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;No doubt when the Pope comes to the UK he will canonise Fr John Henry Newman.  The media and even national focus will be on his conversion to Roman Catholicism.  But let us not forget that Fr Newman was first and foremost an Anglican.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;Fr Newman was an Anglican for half his life. Born in 1801 and ordained priest in 1825 at Christchurch Oxford, he was successively curate of St Clements Oxford, Vice Principal of St Alban Hall, tutor at Oriel College, preacher at Whitehall and Vicar of St Mary's Oxford.  He was vicar of the St Mary's, the University church, for 14 years, a considerable period of time.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;Newman effectively started the Oxford or Tractarian movement and contributed a considerable body of scholarly work before his conversion.  He wrote the early tracts himself and Tract 1 entitled 'Thoughts on the Ministerial Commission' (&lt;a href="http://bit.ly/dCYwd2"&gt;http://bit.ly/dCYwd2&lt;/a&gt;) was a wake up call to many of the gentrified clergy of the day who had absolutely no idea of vocation or calling.  Indeed the very roots of the concepts of priesthood, clergy and vocation, post the reformation in the Church of England, are to be found in Tract 1.   Newman is effectively the Father of Anglo-Catholicism in the C of E.  Indeed as the middle ground of the CofE today is broadly liberal-catholic you could argue that Newman is father of the whole modern Anglican church! &amp;nbsp;Indeed modern clergy,&amp;nbsp;their&amp;nbsp;selection, training, formation and entire working / priestly life are the product of the working out of Tract 1.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;In Tract 90, the last of the tracts (&lt;a href="http://bit.ly/avjYIh"&gt;http://bit.ly/avjYIh&lt;/a&gt;), Newman tackles the 39 Articles of Religion, writing a catholic re- interpretation. The effect of the last tract was that Bishops begged him to write no more. His influence in his own generation, whilst an Anglican was immense, after his conversion he largely shunned by the former colleagues and the establishment.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;Lastly it's worth noting that as a Roman Catholic he had a liberalising tendency upon the English Roman Catholic Church.  He was not afraid to speak his mind as just as an example after the declaration of Papal Infallibility Newman &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;wrote "I shall drink—to the Pope, if you please,—still, to Conscience first, and to the Pope afterwards." (Letter to the Duke of Norfolk, 1875)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-5642702491021534882?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/5642702491021534882/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=5642702491021534882' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/5642702491021534882'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/5642702491021534882'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/02/fr-john-henry-newman-anglican.html' title='Fr John Henry Newman - An Anglican'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S2v2rmV-EjI/AAAAAAAACNQ/cOlVdxvLIs4/s72-c/newman+1.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-6689055290013398523</id><published>2010-02-04T14:40:00.002Z</published><updated>2010-02-04T14:41:44.862Z</updated><title type='text'>1662 Prayer Book &amp; Anglo-Catholic Interpretation</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S2rbSVR9uvI/AAAAAAAACM4/Fb2ffNrfdc0/s1600-h/Baskerville_title.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S2rbSVR9uvI/AAAAAAAACM4/Fb2ffNrfdc0/s320/Baskerville_title.jpg" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Recently I started a 9.00am Mass on Sunday mornings for those who on any particular Sunday could not come to the main 10.30am Mass for whatever reason.  Having a free choice of liturgies I opted for the 1662 Book of Common Prayer, arguably a somewhat unusual decision for an modern Anglo-Catholic, or perhaps not;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I have long loved the beauty and poetry of Cranmer's English, his phrases and metaphors suffuse and pervade the English language even today.  What I hadn't fully appreciated until recently, when I began to use the 1662 liturgy each Sunday, is how the words of the Prayer Book are open to a profoundly Anglo-Catholic interpretation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The paradox of the prayer book 'giving notice' the 'exhortation to receive communion' and the 'exhortation before communion' is to suggest a quite high theology of the sacrament.  In short the self examination and piety recommended in the prayer book wouldn't look at all out of place in a catholic devotional book; the same reverence for the sacrament is commended by both.  If you haven't read any of the exhortations recently may I recommend them to you and quote from them;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #990000;"&gt;'For as the benefit is great, if with a true penitent heart and lively faith we receive that holy Sacrament'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;It is said the principal objections to Catholic use of the prayer book are it's lack of an epiclesis, lack of a sacrificial theology of the mass and deficiency of intention;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The epiclesis (&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiclesis"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiclesis&lt;/a&gt;), for those who don't know, is the specific invocation of the Holy Spirit.  Aside from the invocation of the Holy Spirit in the required exhortations the criticism is that the prayer book anaphora (eucharistic prayer) lacks a specific invocation of the spirit, the exact text is:-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #990000;"&gt;'O merciful Father, we most humbly beseech thee; grant that we receiving these thy creatures of bread and wine, according to thy Son our Saviour Jesus Christ’s holy institution, in remembrance of his death and passion, may be partakers of his most blessed body and blood'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S2rbtL52RVI/AAAAAAAACNA/wvBjj1xSgdk/s1600-h/cranmer.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S2rbtL52RVI/AAAAAAAACNA/wvBjj1xSgdk/s320/cranmer.jpg" width="238" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Firstly I'd point out that whole of the anaphora is addressed to the Father and this part keeps that consistency.  Secondly I'd point out that there is a clear invocation of the Father to ensure that communicants become 'partakers' of Jesus body and blood.  If then the Spirit is the operative person of the Trinity, is not invoking the Father invoking the whole person of the Trinity, including the spirit?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;In support I'd draw your attention to what the text is actually asking;- that God make the communicant part (partaker) of Christ's body.  This is reinforced in the post communion prayer;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #990000;"&gt;'we are very members incorporate in the mystical Body of thy Son'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Surely there is a theology at work here of much more than a memorial meal, God is being invoked to effect a change in the sacrament and through the sacrament and to incorporate communicants in the body of Christ.  I accept that the words 'in remembrance of his death and passion' allow an protestant interpretation, but surely that's the beauty &amp;amp; genius of this text, it's allows a catholic interpretation, equally and fully. It is not an afterthought or a reinterpretation, it was there from the beginning, it is fully intended and fully equal.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;And so my purpose in celebrating the 1662 Mass is make Jesus present, and by receiving him in the sacrament to make myself and those who receive with me, members of the body of Christ.  I believe the text allows that interpretation.  Where is the defect of intention in that? I fully intend in my celebration what any catholic priest of the western rite intends, there is no defect in my intention.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;As for a sacrificial theology, of course the 1662 text in suffused with sacrificial theology &amp;amp; language but not of the specific kind that intends the mass itself is a sacrifice. And yet I wonder about these words;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;'&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #990000;"&gt;And although we be unworthy, through our manifold sins, to offer unto thee any sacrifice; yet we beseech thee to accept this our bounden duty and service&lt;/span&gt;'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Now I'm not so stupid as to fail to realise that much of the 1662 prayer book communion is specifically phrased to transfer the concept of the sacrifice of the mass into a sacrifice of 'praise and thanksgiving' and to specifically to highlight the absolute sufficiency of Christ's sacrifice, and I quote;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #990000;"&gt;'didst give thine only Son Jesus Christ to suffer death on the Cross for our redemption; who made there (by his one oblation of himself once offered) a full, perfect, and sufficient sacrifice, oblation, and satisfaction for the sins of the whole world'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;And this is said to be reinforced by Article 31 (of the 39 Articles of Religion);-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S2rcFyilKeI/AAAAAAAACNI/H3V8twYW6rY/s1600-h/mass-4.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S2rcFyilKeI/AAAAAAAACNI/H3V8twYW6rY/s320/mass-4.jpg" width="225" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #990000;"&gt;'The Offering of Christ once made is that perfect redemption, propitiation, and satisfaction, for all the sins of the whole world, both original and actual; and there is none other satisfaction for sin, but that alone. Wherefore the sacrifices of Masses, in the which it was commonly said, that the Priest did offer Christ for the quick and the dead, to have remission of pain or guilt, were blasphemous fables, and dangerous deceits.'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Now If you've never read the Oxford Movement's tracts in the original text then you've treat in store because Newman argues in Tract 90 (&lt;a href="http://anglicanhistory.org/tracts/tract90/section9.html"&gt;http://anglicanhistory.org/tracts/tract90/section9.html&lt;/a&gt; ) that what is really going on here is a criticism of the idea that the mass and Christ's sacrifice are separate. If they are not separate but one in the same, then sacrificial language to describe the mass is appropriate.  Read the original and see what you think.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Whatever you make of that argument; I perceive that the 1662 prayer book is happy to allow priest and people a language of sacrifice, and specifically of gaining the benefits of Christ's sacrifice through the actions (sacrifice) of the mass;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #990000;"&gt;'mercifully to accept this our sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving; most humbly beseeching thee to grant, that by the merits and death of thy Son Jesus Christ, and through faith in his blood, we and all thy whole Church may obtain remission of our sins, and all other benefits of his passion.'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;So as an Anglo-Catholic I'm very happy to celebrate the 1662 mass, my intention is clear and consonate with the western rite, I invoke the Holy Spirit as a person of the trinity and make the sign of the cross over the elements at that point in the anaphora and I believe I make Christ present to those who receive him and in so doing I further the work of salvation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;In addition I recite the poetry of Cranmer and enjoy the resonance of phrases which continue to convey profound meaning with beauty, 350 years after they were written.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-6689055290013398523?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/6689055290013398523/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=6689055290013398523' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/6689055290013398523'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/6689055290013398523'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/02/1662-prayer-book-open-to-anglo-catholic.html' title='1662 Prayer Book &amp; Anglo-Catholic Interpretation'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S2rbSVR9uvI/AAAAAAAACM4/Fb2ffNrfdc0/s72-c/Baskerville_title.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-7044359379376190602</id><published>2010-02-03T16:59:00.000Z</published><updated>2010-02-03T16:59:03.351Z</updated><title type='text'>A visit to Westminster</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S2mq6fVQQ1I/AAAAAAAACMw/3NW4kdFJ9kk/s1600-h/Westminster-abbey.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="150" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S2mq6fVQQ1I/AAAAAAAACMw/3NW4kdFJ9kk/s200/Westminster-abbey.jpg" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;A visit to Westminster yesterday revealed that the date for deciding to swim the Tiber (or not) was moved to Monday 22nd February, namely the feast of the Chair of St Peter, very apt, needless to say I wasn't consulted.  I also learnt that because General Synod won't have made a decision about provisions for dissenting clergy by 22nd Feb, some won't in fact decide on that date but wait to see what provision is eventually made.  So my apologies for misleading you over the date, but an 'I told you so' with regard to the whole wretched matter dragging on and endlessly on .....&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I also had a very interesting &amp;amp; disturbing conversation with a synod member who voted in favour of a code of practice last time (and remember it was a quite narrow victory) but is now persuaded to only vote in favour if more substantial safeguards are put in place for FiF et al. I wonder if anyone else has changed their minds in the meantime and I think like the Chinese curse that we live in 'interesting times'. I'm beginning to think there is a serious possibility that the legislation for women bishops might not get through the next vote and so be lost for a generation. That would be a terrible outcome, lets hope and work to ensure it doesn't happen.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-7044359379376190602?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/7044359379376190602/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=7044359379376190602' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/7044359379376190602'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/7044359379376190602'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/02/visit-to-westminster.html' title='A visit to Westminster'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S2mq6fVQQ1I/AAAAAAAACMw/3NW4kdFJ9kk/s72-c/Westminster-abbey.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-8914402234683170421</id><published>2010-02-02T11:52:00.001Z</published><updated>2010-02-02T11:53:47.179Z</updated><title type='text'>'The Bishop of Rome hath no jurisdiction in this Realm of England</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S2gSQFakRWI/AAAAAAAACMo/WE1d2LPgLmw/s1600-h/Emblem_of_the_Papacy_SE.svg.png" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="200" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S2gSQFakRWI/AAAAAAAACMo/WE1d2LPgLmw/s200/Emblem_of_the_Papacy_SE.svg.png" width="147" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Perhaps it's time for us to be reminded that:- one of the primary reasons for the Reformation in continental Europe was to stop Papal interference in national politics. As the nation state emerges and comes into it's own it was considered just unacceptable that people in a given country should give a higher loyalty to the papacy. The papacy had a long history of political interference, sanctioning wars, fermenting internal rebellion, releasing subjects from their loyalty to the crown and inducing the assassination of heads of state (Papal Bull of 1570 Regnans in Excelsis). So it's hardly surprising that one of the key motivating factors which fuelled the reformation was the desire for political autonomy from Rome. Further I would argue that the very structure of Anglican Church and subsequently the Anglican Communion was deliberately decentralised, with autonomous diocese and provinces to avoid a re-run of problems created by a super-national &amp;amp; centralised church, i.e. Rome.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My response to news stories about the Pope and his criticisms of anti-discrimination legislation is to quote the Article of Religion Number 37 'The Bishop of Rome hath no jurisdiction in this Realm of England' So I'll listen politely but I'm not really taking any notice.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-8914402234683170421?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/8914402234683170421/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=8914402234683170421' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/8914402234683170421'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/8914402234683170421'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/02/bishop-of-rome-hath-no-jurisdiction-in.html' title='&apos;The Bishop of Rome hath no jurisdiction in this Realm of England'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S2gSQFakRWI/AAAAAAAACMo/WE1d2LPgLmw/s72-c/Emblem_of_the_Papacy_SE.svg.png' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-7514332029881244394</id><published>2010-02-01T17:57:00.001Z</published><updated>2010-02-01T19:55:12.154Z</updated><title type='text'>Thousands leave the Church of England?</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S2cxmKwTurI/AAAAAAAACMY/lD5cPSXz2Us/s1600-h/leave-a-church-200X200+(1).jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S2cxmKwTurI/AAAAAAAACMY/lD5cPSXz2Us/s320/leave-a-church-200X200+(1).jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Tomorrow is Candlemass, and it's the day set by those thinking of taking up the Popes offer to become Roman Catholics to have made their final decision. &amp;nbsp;Will we see hundreds of clergy and thousands of&amp;nbsp;laity&amp;nbsp;leaving the CoE? &amp;nbsp;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;No&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; - I predict nothing will happen tomorrow and no one will declare their intentions. &amp;nbsp;Why? because the offer isn't as attractive as it&amp;nbsp;first&amp;nbsp;appeared, no one will want to be first to refuse the offer, and so the foot shuffleing and threats to leave will continue ..... and go on and on and on ......&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-7514332029881244394?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/7514332029881244394/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=7514332029881244394' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/7514332029881244394'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/7514332029881244394'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/02/thousands-leave-church-of-england.html' title='Thousands leave the Church of England?'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S2cxmKwTurI/AAAAAAAACMY/lD5cPSXz2Us/s72-c/leave-a-church-200X200+(1).jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-1978408300437985549</id><published>2010-02-01T17:19:00.005Z</published><updated>2010-02-01T17:28:17.037Z</updated><title type='text'>The Queen, The Pope and The Right to Discriminate</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;So, as if there wasn't enough Roman Catholic triumphalism recently :- the English and Welsh Roman Catholic Bishops are in Rome on an 'ad&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt; limina&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;' visit, the Pope has attacked proposed UK anti-discrimination legislation and according to Archbishop Vincent Nichols the Queen is 'extremely in favour' &amp;nbsp;of the forthcoming Papal visit, see &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://bit.ly/9JbjcR"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;http://bit.ly/9JbjcR&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S2cJt8Bd54I/AAAAAAAACMI/B5IPAuU41Rw/s1600/in-the-pub-avi-lehrer.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="173" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S2cJt8Bd54I/AAAAAAAACMI/B5IPAuU41Rw/s200/in-the-pub-avi-lehrer.jpg" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The Queen is 'extremely in favour' of Papal Visit&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I very much doubt it;-&amp;nbsp; It's an extremely unlikely sentiment for the head of the Church of England to express.&amp;nbsp; There's been quite a bit of attributing various attitudes and comments to the Queen in recent months, almost all of them pro-Roman Catholic and Anti-Women Bishops.&amp;nbsp; Of course almost anything can gossiped as being the opinion of the Queen because an official denial is just so unlikely. &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Frankly most of this is utter rubbish and patently designed to appeal a particular bred of English snob to whom the opinion of Mrs Saxe-Coburg-Gotha might matter&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;.&amp;nbsp; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S2cKtmmBeBI/AAAAAAAACMQ/2QdEM0Zyvp0/s1600-h/25priestsalutehitler.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="137" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S2cKtmmBeBI/AAAAAAAACMQ/2QdEM0Zyvp0/s200/25priestsalutehitler.jpg" width="200" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Pope in favour of discrimination&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;We'll that's the logical headline!&amp;nbsp; If we allow an exclusion for religion from anti-discrimination legislation then what is to stop the BNP declaring itself a religion? Or the Dutch Reformed Church (which supported apartheid) opening churches in the UK for white only members.&amp;nbsp; Whilst the church wants the right not to be forced to employ homosexuals or allow adoptions by homosexual couples, what they don't seem to understand is that opens the flood gates for all sorts of other discrimination. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;If the church gets an exemption from the legislation, who else is entitled to one? &amp;nbsp;(the photo is genuine, unfortunately)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Pope to visit Britain &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Apparently the cost of the papal visit to the tax payer is going to £20 million, see &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://bit.ly/d4ePcX"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;http://bit.ly/d4ePcX&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; Now I rarely agree with anything the National Secular Society says but on this occasion I like to say 'not in my name' and 'not with my taxes'.&amp;nbsp; I don't mind if the pope comes and visits his followers, but they must pay for it.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin-bottom: 0cm; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-1978408300437985549?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/1978408300437985549/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=1978408300437985549' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/1978408300437985549'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/1978408300437985549'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/02/so-as-if-there-wasnt-enough-roman.html' title='The Queen, The Pope and The Right to Discriminate'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S2cJt8Bd54I/AAAAAAAACMI/B5IPAuU41Rw/s72-c/in-the-pub-avi-lehrer.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-917775521306568089</id><published>2010-01-14T00:11:00.000Z</published><updated>2010-01-14T00:11:54.040Z</updated><title type='text'>More from Morocco ......</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Obviously I've been quite busy and sadly not had a lot of time to blog, apologies to everyone. &amp;nbsp;If you're interested in the project to film the gospel readings please do visit:-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.bigbookmedia.com/"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;http://www.bigbookmedia.com/&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; 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text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0fxTgIN0jI/AAAAAAAACEY/qdZFPI0W0uQ/s1600-h/P1050512.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0fxTgIN0jI/AAAAAAAACEY/qdZFPI0W0uQ/s200/P1050512.JPG" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I’m sitting in a café in down town Ouarzazate, having a cappuccino because we’ve all got the morning off - there is a night shoot  tonight;- Jesus before the High Priest and Peter’s denial.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I’ve a reflection to write about based on Tuesday’s filming;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I’m completely taken by surprise at the sheer horror of Jesus suffering.  We read about these things and even see art depicting them, but it’s just on a whole different level to actually watch, even if it’s acted and not ‘real’.  On Tuesday we filmed the soldiers mocking, beating and whipping Jesus and the crown of thorns.  I knelt down to get a close still camera shot, just under the main film camera and having done that it wasn’t easy to move, for the whole of the scene, just in case I disturbed the actors or got in the shot.  So I stayed put.  I can honestly say it was one of the most emotionally uncomfortable few moments of my life, and certainly something I shall not forget, it can’t have been easy to act.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;This is making me wonder about the rightful place of Jesus suffering in church life and our understanding of the incarnation.  One of our local evangelical clergy greeted an ecumenical group, walking as an act of witness of Good Friday, with the words:- ‘Happy Easter, remember we’re the people of Easter and the resurrection, not the people of Good Friday and the crucifixion’ and of course that went down like a lead balloon with my catholic colleagues! But I’m wondering if he doesn’t have a point.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I can think of 3 reasons why we might tell the story of Jesus suffering;- firstly for those who are suffering themselves in the spirit of Hebrews 4.15 ‘we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathise’, secondly as the contrast in the story which ends in the triumph of the resurrection and thirdly as an indictment of humanity which perpetrates similar  atrocities today.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Apart from that what is it that we’re proclaiming by focusing of Jesus suffering?  What message is being conveyed by those suffering and bloody statues and images of Jesus so loved in Catholic countries?  Is there (and I’m only asking the question) an obsession with Jesus suffering that’s at odds with the primacy of the resurrection? Surely the point isn’t just that he suffered but that he overcame.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I also wonder if by the constant use of these suffering images we don’t desensitise ourselves to the true horror of what happened.  And if we create a sub-culture where images of a deeply suffering Jesus are normal or even unnoticed how accessible is that culture? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;My church has a 12 foot crucifix which dominates the low 1950’s building from the moment you enter.  What do the un-churched make of such of thing and how does it effect our mission?  Is understanding that we live in a deeply isolated sub-culture of any help in mission and outreach or do we have to change to communicate the gospel more effectively?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-6393935795402028539?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/6393935795402028539/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=6393935795402028539' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/6393935795402028539'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/6393935795402028539'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/01/imagery-of-suffering-and-mission.html' title='Imagery of Suffering and Mission'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0fxTgIN0jI/AAAAAAAACEY/qdZFPI0W0uQ/s72-c/P1050512.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-961551549590212090</id><published>2010-01-09T02:23:00.001Z</published><updated>2010-01-09T02:41:27.794Z</updated><title type='text'>Filming Holy Week</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;To give you an idea of just what it is that I've been up to this week, these are some of my pictures from the Big Book Media Shoot so far;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0fdr4pHO0I/AAAAAAAACCA/80H_X5AV9Gs/s1600-h/P1040397.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0fdr4pHO0I/AAAAAAAACCA/80H_X5AV9Gs/s320/P1040397.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Pilate&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0feBL4SeiI/AAAAAAAACCI/_huMm4N7mmU/s1600-h/P1040406.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0feBL4SeiI/AAAAAAAACCI/_huMm4N7mmU/s320/P1040406.JPG" width="240" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Soldiers spears&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0fePPMzJeI/AAAAAAAACCQ/oW5nVrzyoZ0/s1600-h/P1040430.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0fePPMzJeI/AAAAAAAACCQ/oW5nVrzyoZ0/s320/P1040430.JPG" width="240" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Jesus brought before Pilate&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0feiztCcmI/AAAAAAAACCY/Qd8kuuP1HAY/s1600-h/P1040440.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0feiztCcmI/AAAAAAAACCY/Qd8kuuP1HAY/s320/P1040440.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Jesus &amp;amp; the crowd&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0ffUum-hmI/AAAAAAAACCg/XxE9ArQ-44I/s1600-h/P1040452.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0ffUum-hmI/AAAAAAAACCg/XxE9ArQ-44I/s320/P1040452.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Jesus with Pilate&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0fgV2sXkTI/AAAAAAAACCo/lovcCozk3tQ/s1600-h/P1050476.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0fgV2sXkTI/AAAAAAAACCo/lovcCozk3tQ/s320/P1050476.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Herod tries Jesus&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0fg1rgyReI/AAAAAAAACCw/glLg6jN2epI/s1600-h/P1050481.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0fg1rgyReI/AAAAAAAACCw/glLg6jN2epI/s320/P1050481.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Jesus mocked by Herod&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0fhvLud3uI/AAAAAAAACC4/tlHA27w1FEA/s1600-h/P1050490.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0fhvLud3uI/AAAAAAAACC4/tlHA27w1FEA/s320/P1050490.JPG" width="240" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Roman guards beat Jesus&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0fijKJLjRI/AAAAAAAACDA/zyjxpUSahSk/s1600-h/P1050500.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0fijKJLjRI/AAAAAAAACDA/zyjxpUSahSk/s320/P1050500.JPG" width="240" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Pilate questions Jesus&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0fn5Cg1XJI/AAAAAAAACDw/sfzG1c2HWbs/s1600-h/P1050512.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0fn5Cg1XJI/AAAAAAAACDw/sfzG1c2HWbs/s320/P1050512.JPG" width="240" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Jesus beaten by the Roman guards&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0fjXare2lI/AAAAAAAACDI/7Y9zT7EjMEU/s1600-h/P1060523.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0fjXare2lI/AAAAAAAACDI/7Y9zT7EjMEU/s320/P1060523.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Just a view of the mountains in Morocco&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0fr7cNsAFI/AAAAAAAACEQ/50aE2-25D-k/s1600-h/P1060540.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0fr7cNsAFI/AAAAAAAACEQ/50aE2-25D-k/s320/P1060540.JPG" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Judas and the Temple priests&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0fkSUxNHfI/AAAAAAAACDQ/2afYIi7nbhE/s1600-h/P1060563.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0fkSUxNHfI/AAAAAAAACDQ/2afYIi7nbhE/s320/P1060563.JPG" width="240" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;A Temple Guard&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0fk3_8akgI/AAAAAAAACDY/a-qpZxzGRAA/s1600-h/P1060580.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0fk3_8akgI/AAAAAAAACDY/a-qpZxzGRAA/s320/P1060580.JPG" width="240" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Jesus cleanses the Temple&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0fl0eGHQ-I/AAAAAAAACDg/n-4bt5OBKsM/s1600-h/P1060596.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0fl0eGHQ-I/AAAAAAAACDg/n-4bt5OBKsM/s320/P1060596.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Jesus overturn the tables of the money changers in the Temple&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0fqPjpp61I/AAAAAAAACEA/Axyg7OJyZFc/s1600-h/P1060610.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0fqPjpp61I/AAAAAAAACEA/Axyg7OJyZFc/s320/P1060610.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Sacrificial doves escape at the Temple&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0fm0VZW9sI/AAAAAAAACDo/GPTXRZvKoOA/s1600-h/P1060686.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0fm0VZW9sI/AAAAAAAACDo/GPTXRZvKoOA/s320/P1060686.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Render unto&amp;nbsp;Caesar&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0fpdFpCN2I/AAAAAAAACD4/TAaDZy810-o/s1600-h/P1060687.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0fpdFpCN2I/AAAAAAAACD4/TAaDZy810-o/s320/P1060687.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Two young people listen to Jesus teach in the Temple&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0frNZslNCI/AAAAAAAACEI/9nJIRPMXAbw/s1600-h/P1060692.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0frNZslNCI/AAAAAAAACEI/9nJIRPMXAbw/s320/P1060692.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Jesus Teaching in the Temple&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;To purchase video film clips of the Sunday lectionary Gospel reading visit;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a 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width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-2180066760900776924</id><published>2010-01-04T23:30:00.001Z</published><updated>2010-01-04T23:30:57.520Z</updated><title type='text'>On location in Morocco</title><content type='html'>&lt;p class="mobile-photo"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0J6MXs8InI/AAAAAAAACBY/qxIrAFVn-D8/s1600-h/P1040412-757521.JPG"&gt;&lt;img src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0J6MXs8InI/AAAAAAAACBY/qxIrAFVn-D8/s320/P1040412-757521.JPG"  border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5423031254247023218" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="mobile-photo"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0J6MpDRwnI/AAAAAAAACBg/xSH22_6Ho04/s1600-h/P1040431-758900.JPG"&gt;&lt;img src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0J6MpDRwnI/AAAAAAAACBg/xSH22_6Ho04/s320/P1040431-758900.JPG"  border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5423031258904117874" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="mobile-photo"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0J6NCTsmPI/AAAAAAAACBo/gtx5f0IPRu0/s1600-h/P1040433-760331.JPG"&gt;&lt;img src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0J6NCTsmPI/AAAAAAAACBo/gtx5f0IPRu0/s320/P1040433-760331.JPG"  border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5423031265683871986" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="mobile-photo"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0J6NYKljoI/AAAAAAAACBw/6-ILNc-mPk0/s1600-h/P1040441-761464.JPG"&gt;&lt;img src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0J6NYKljoI/AAAAAAAACBw/6-ILNc-mPk0/s320/P1040441-761464.JPG"  border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5423031271551241858" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="mobile-photo"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0J6Nrz3AZI/AAAAAAAACB4/B8YFr-86ByQ/s1600-h/P1040455-762744.JPG"&gt;&lt;img src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0J6Nrz3AZI/AAAAAAAACB4/B8YFr-86ByQ/s320/P1040455-762744.JPG"  border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5423031276824625554" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div dir="ltr"&gt;&lt;div class="gmail_quote"&gt;&lt;div dir="ltr"&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div class="h5"&gt;&lt;div class="gmail_quote"&gt;&lt;div dir="ltr"&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial"&gt;I'm on location for the next 12 days in Morocco with Big Book Media (a film company) and we're making short films of the Sunday lectionary Gospel readings.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This trip we're filming Palm Sunday through to the Resurrection.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I'm the on set theological consultant. As I'm going to be watching the drama of Holy Week unfold I thought I'd blog my reflections.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If you get something out of them that's great, otherwise just browse on …&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial"&gt; Today we've been shooting Jesus brought before Pilate and the crowd baying for blood.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Although it's a scene most know well: I wonder if you've ever really connected with the emotion of the event?&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I ask that because as I have been watching I'm really struck by just how frightening a crowd can be if you're just one person.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial"&gt; Jesus dragged before Pilate seems a vulnerable figure; he appears to have no control over events, even less his own destiny.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial"&gt; I watched a group of people, those playing the crowd, start out acting and gently jostling and harassing Jesus turn into a lynch mob, actually striking the actor with hatred on their faces, and suddenly I was no longer sure they were acting.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It's a sad indictment of humanity that individuals can be so easily manipulated and so easily abdicate their moral responsibility to the crowd.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial"&gt; I'm also sure from having watched and felt the scene unfold that Jesus could easily have reacted in a very different way and perhaps even have escaped an execution.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;His reactions are just bewildering unless you conclude that he had a strong sense of purpose.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial"&gt; Ironically Jesus strong sense of purpose makes the vulnerable person the only truly free person in the whole drama.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Perhaps there's a spiritual lesson here;-&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Power gives the illusion of freedom, purpose empowers &lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;the powerless.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-2180066760900776924?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/2180066760900776924/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=2180066760900776924' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/2180066760900776924'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/2180066760900776924'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2010/01/on-location-in-morocco_5021.html' title='On location in Morocco'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/S0J6MXs8InI/AAAAAAAACBY/qxIrAFVn-D8/s72-c/P1040412-757521.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-7927888605233522543</id><published>2009-12-31T07:15:00.003Z</published><updated>2009-12-31T07:18:45.317Z</updated><title type='text'>Should you be in church or at a party on New Years Eve ?</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SzxPFNv8yOI/AAAAAAAAB_0/iTEnqdcCbWk/s1600-h/new_years_toast.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SzxPFNv8yOI/AAAAAAAAB_0/iTEnqdcCbWk/s200/new_years_toast.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Every year about this time I have roughly the same discussion with&amp;nbsp;someone and it runs along these lines&amp;nbsp;;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #990000;"&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;What time is the watch night service father?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #990000;"&gt;A&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;I've never held one because New Years Eve isn't a Christian Festival, my advice is not to be in church at midnight but to enjoy the company of your friends and perhaps find a good party.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #990000;"&gt;R&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;In Nigeria (or wherever) everyone goes to church on New Years Eve and it's is packed; it's one of the most important services of the year!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;So am I doing the right thing ?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Party?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;My attitude is influenced by an incarnational theology that says life is more than being in church and should be enjoyed to the full (John 10.10), which includes a good party and that there is nothing wrong with alcohol in moderation or enjoying yourself.  Should the churches only response to everything be to hold a service? Isn't that a bit like the episode of Father Ted where the only conceivable response to a crisis was to say mass!  Jesus went the party at Cana, and provided the wine!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Church?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;On the other hand if most of my congregation are at home on their own because they were used to being in church at midnight should I accommodate that? Should we (Christians / &amp;amp; the Church) be reclaiming New Years Eve from a hedonist society and asserting that it's should be  a time of praying for and dedicating to God the coming new year?  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Church Party?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Alternatively should I have organised a church party? Or is that the worst of all solutions?  If church is a key or possibly the only social connection between people, in a quite fragmented society, isn't it natural that the church should organise the party?  I seem to remember as a curate there was a good New Years Eve party organised in the church hall, it was an entirely social event, but worked because the church was a community.  I also seem to remember the delivery of many cases of Babycham: you don't see that much these days!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SzxPJ5vDYDI/AAAAAAAAB_8/uG6_Ndnlj3I/s1600-h/10102008142247828_Babycham_Brew.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SzxPJ5vDYDI/AAAAAAAAB_8/uG6_Ndnlj3I/s320/10102008142247828_Babycham_Brew.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-7927888605233522543?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/7927888605233522543/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=7927888605233522543' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/7927888605233522543'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/7927888605233522543'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/12/should-you-be-in-church-or-at-party-on.html' title='Should you be in church or at a party on New Years Eve ?'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SzxPFNv8yOI/AAAAAAAAB_0/iTEnqdcCbWk/s72-c/new_years_toast.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-3549936530380915568</id><published>2009-12-30T12:07:00.003Z</published><updated>2009-12-30T12:08:31.480Z</updated><title type='text'>Sharia and Monsoon</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SztCW3pSzzI/AAAAAAAAB_s/808_qXWFoYM/s1600-h/h.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SztCW3pSzzI/AAAAAAAAB_s/808_qXWFoYM/s200/h.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;It was my day off on Monday and I went shopping with Mrs Augustine of Canterbury at the Brent Cross Shopping Centre.  I was amused, whilst Mrs Augustine tried on a dress in the changing room, to observe a number of Muslim women, dressed in black with heads covered, examining brightly coloured clothes and lacy underwear.  I wondered why they might purchase such clothes if they are never seen: but Mrs Augustine later informed me that this is for their husbands.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;This set me wondering where one might purchase shapeless black clothing : you never see a shop for it, and if there's much profit in that kind of thing.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Perhaps more interestingly I also wondered if making women wear this clothing wasn't the moral equivalent of blaming the victim!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I would have thought that if there was a problem with men's behaviour: namely sexually harassing women, then the answer would be to address the men's offending behaviour not the victims.  It also seems to me that the tactic of dressing women thus is not very effective: because if you've ever been to an Islamic country you'll know that sexual harassment is endemic and a constant problem for women travellers.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Clearly the patriarchal solution is to blame the victim for being too attractive and alluring, on the basis that men can't help themselves, and to require a head to toe covering.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Wouldn't a better solution be educating men that this behaviour is unacceptable and punishing offenders?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-3549936530380915568?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/3549936530380915568/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=3549936530380915568' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/3549936530380915568'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/3549936530380915568'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/12/sharia-and-monsoon.html' title='Sharia and Monsoon'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SztCW3pSzzI/AAAAAAAAB_s/808_qXWFoYM/s72-c/h.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-900189403980961352</id><published>2009-12-29T16:46:00.003Z</published><updated>2009-12-29T17:05:10.844Z</updated><title type='text'>Apostolic Succession: an Anglo-Catholic Fetish</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SzoxplIED9I/AAAAAAAAB-0/BewMxJvg_VY/s1600-h/Capture+1.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SzoxplIED9I/AAAAAAAAB-0/BewMxJvg_VY/s320/Capture+1.JPG" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;It's an appealing, comforting, affirming and rather romantic idea that the hands laid on my head at ordination go back in an unbroken line, over the centuries, to St Peter himself.  But does it really have any meaning or consequence? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Clearly apostolic succession is not the transmission of a magical power by successive touch, rather it's the authorisation to perform an office within the context of assent to the belief, doctrine and order and of a / the church. (I think I'd want to add something here about the church calling suitably gifted people who are able themselves to confirm that call)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;So the succession by just itself isn't a guarantee of anything.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Interestingly in Buddhism a form of succession operates that seeks to validate teaching as being consonate with that of the Buddha by tracing the linage of a teacher back to point of origin considered authentic.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;It's a somewhat embarrassing contrast that Buddhists should be interested in the authenticity &amp;amp; truthfulness of teaching whilst certain Christians appear interested in a form of magical touch.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Surely it would be better for us as Christians to locate authorisation for ministry and authenticity of teaching by consonance with scripture or the consensus of the faithful (sensus fidelium).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Having said that I wouldn't like to abandon the concept of the Apostolic Succession, I just don't believe it has any value outside the context of a catholic church, an individuals assent to an authentic faith and an ability to perform a ministry.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;In short;- the point I'm seeking to make is if there were a break in the physical line of&amp;nbsp;succession, a missing link, that would NOT invalidate any subsequent line of ministry. &amp;nbsp;Ministry is validated by the touch of God's hand and not limited by human institutions and rules.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;With regard to Apostolicae Curae (1896) it's a flawed document that refuses to acknowledge the errors of the Roman Catholic Church that led to the reformation.  It just completely fails to understand that the Anglican Church is Catholic of it's own right and requires no validation from the Bishop of Rome.   Sadly neglected these days is Saepius Officio, the Anglican Churches reply, stating that  Anglican ordinations are consonate with scripture and that the Church of England has retained, through the prayer book, a Catholic character and liturgy.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;One last interesting note about the self contradictory attitudes of Rome is the conditional ordination of Dr Graham Leonard on the grounds that he may have received a valid ordination in the Anglican Church.  Since the 1930's Old Catholic Bishops (The Old Catholic Church separated from Rome in the 1870's) have been co-consecrators at Anglican Bishops consecrations and from 1969 onwards ALL Anglican Bishops (re)-acquired a valid (according to Rome) apostolic succession.  So by their own somewhat strange logic I'm as validly ordained as the Pope! &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-900189403980961352?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/900189403980961352/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=900189403980961352' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/900189403980961352'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/900189403980961352'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/12/apostolic-succession-anglo-catholic.html' title='Apostolic Succession: an Anglo-Catholic Fetish'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SzoxplIED9I/AAAAAAAAB-0/BewMxJvg_VY/s72-c/Capture+1.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-1003900797930323164</id><published>2009-12-18T13:19:00.000Z</published><updated>2009-12-18T13:19:21.976Z</updated><title type='text'>Poor Joseph Cartoon - I'm not offended</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SyuAzBb5jqI/AAAAAAAAB-s/02PLVLeQjEs/s1600-h/Poor+Joseph+poster.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SyuAzBb5jqI/AAAAAAAAB-s/02PLVLeQjEs/s400/Poor+Joseph+poster.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The world it seems is offended by this cartoon, or the least the blogging world.  Really ?  I thought it amusing if a little disrespectful.  But then again I'm not required to believe that Mary remained a virgin after the birth of Jesus, that she was born immaculate or that she was assumed bodily into heaven.   Indeed most of the preceding Roman dogmas strike me as unlikely and having no basis in scripture.   Interestingly they are also very widely regarded with scepticism amongst the RC laity I know. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Would it be so outrageous if Mary went on the have half a dozen children with Joseph, the man she grew to love? the brothers and sisters of Jesus mentioned in the gospels?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Would it be so outrageous if Mary died and was buried in Ephesus, where she had lived out her final years, and that she was not bodily assumed into heaven?  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Would it be so outrageous if Mary wasn't perfect and born without original sin, but was like the rest of us, fully human?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I think these dogmas are dreamed up by theologians with little connection to the ordinary world and a very slender grasp of reality (and scripture), and that would be fine &lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: yellow;"&gt;IF&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; they didn't then go on to say that believing them was necessary for salvation.  Marian dogmas are not necessary for salvation, that's the absolute and sole prerogative of faith in Jesus Christ.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-1003900797930323164?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/1003900797930323164/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=1003900797930323164' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/1003900797930323164'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/1003900797930323164'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/12/poor-joseph-cartoon-im-not-offended.html' title='Poor Joseph Cartoon - I&apos;m not offended'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SyuAzBb5jqI/AAAAAAAAB-s/02PLVLeQjEs/s72-c/Poor+Joseph+poster.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-4714377210455097584</id><published>2009-12-18T11:25:00.000Z</published><updated>2009-12-18T11:25:09.449Z</updated><title type='text'>Saint John Paul II - Just say NO</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/Sytmh_m9FSI/AAAAAAAAB-k/5OxianKh2gg/s1600-h/Pope.John.Paul.II.2005.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/Sytmh_m9FSI/AAAAAAAAB-k/5OxianKh2gg/s320/Pope.John.Paul.II.2005.jpg" width="214" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;With all the fuss and hype surrounding the funeral of Pope John Paul II it hardly seemed right to have any reservations about him being made a saint, and yet even as I watched the funeral on television I was thinking about those who suffered as a result of his pontificate.  Several years later I see that the cause to make him a saint is nearing the end of the process.  Well I won't be including him in any litanies and I'll tell you why;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;John Paul II allowed and even affirmed the teaching on contraception that condemns hundreds of thousands to die of Aids in the developing world.   The argument that abstinence is the answer would be amusing if it wasn't also a deadly matter.  Add to that the woman condemned to a life of child bearing without a break, many of whom die as a consequence of the mixture of inadequate nutrition and the physical toll of repeated pregnancy.  People in the west have forgotten that women here used to die from repeated pregnancy and we take family planning for granted.  Just image a world where people like JP II had their way.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Then there are those women in the Roman Catholic church who feel called to Priestly or even Episcopal  ministry.  A topic that John Paul II declared closed.  How can you refuse to even discuss a subject that people care passionately about ?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I'm sorry, I'm not going to let sentimentality get the better of me; sad though John Paul II death was from Parkinson's it doesn't excuse his record  as Pope.  He increased the sum of human suffering and for me that outweighs any good he might have done.  The man was not a saint.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-4714377210455097584?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/4714377210455097584/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=4714377210455097584' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/4714377210455097584'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/4714377210455097584'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/12/saint-john-paul-ii-just-say-no.html' title='Saint John Paul II - Just say NO'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/Sytmh_m9FSI/AAAAAAAAB-k/5OxianKh2gg/s72-c/Pope.John.Paul.II.2005.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-865485552500294563</id><published>2009-12-17T13:19:00.003Z</published><updated>2009-12-17T13:28:26.090Z</updated><title type='text'>Turning the hearts of the disobedient to the wisdom of the just</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SyovpeTssJI/AAAAAAAAB-c/I0IHqdnH2wQ/s1600-h/baptist3.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SyovpeTssJI/AAAAAAAAB-c/I0IHqdnH2wQ/s200/baptist3.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;For many years I've used the Roman Catholic Daily Missal for celebrating the daily Mass.  It's a massively convenient all-in-one book that contains everything a modern catholic needs to say mass.  Immediately following the Anglicanorum Coetibus farce I was so annoyed that I started blogging and stopped using the Roman Missal !&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I now use the Anglican Daily Eucharistic Lectionary book.  This is hugely inconvenient, there are no introductory sentence (I use a verse from the daily psalm), some generic Alleluias are printed in the back but are inconvenient to find, there are no offertory prayers (I've got my own little collection).  So all in all it's quite a sacrifice / nuisance just to stick my finger up at the pope, but perhaps it's worth it!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;On the upside;- the readings are from the NRSV, which has inclusive language and is a great improvement because there were some days according to the Roman Missal when, I swear, that only men could be saved ! The collects are a million percent better and that brings me to the point;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Have you carefully read the collect for the 3rd Sunday of Advent?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #38761d;"&gt;O Lord Jesus Christ,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #38761d;"&gt;who at your first coming sent your messenger&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #38761d;"&gt;to prepare your way before you:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #38761d;"&gt;grant that the ministers and stewards of your mysteries&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #38761d;"&gt;may likewise so prepare and make ready your way&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #990000;"&gt;by turning the hearts of the disobedient to the wisdom of the just&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #38761d;"&gt;,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #38761d;"&gt;that at your second coming to judge the world&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #38761d;"&gt;we may be found an acceptable people in your sight;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #38761d;"&gt;for you are alive and reign with the Father&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #38761d;"&gt;in the unity of the Holy Spirit,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #38761d;"&gt;one God, now and for ever.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;It put me in mind of that sentence in the ordinal:- &lt;span style="color: #38761d;"&gt;'They are to be messengers, watchmen and stewards of the Lord; they are to teach and to admonish'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Now I'm wondering to what extent I am responsible for the salvation of those in my cure (pastoral care) ?  Western society is predicated on individualism and personal freedom so the idea that someone else might bear any kind of responsibility for the individual, especially on a religious matter (an area generally consider to be an intensely private) is dangerously counter cultural.  Indeed the idea of responsibility towards others / the community has been out of favour since the second world war.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;As an aside one might ask why the post war generation took such a sharply individualistic stance? Perhaps it contrasts the duty to King &amp;amp; Country that motivated men in the 14-18 war and the enforced communalism of the 38-45 war.  Whatever the reason, the last century started with a strong ethic of communalism and ended with rampant individualism, perhaps best symbolised by the rise and fall of the Soviet Union.  I digress...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;So I wonder how we actual 'admonish' people &amp;amp; 'turn the hearts of the disobedient'  in the modern age ?  I suspect that most clergy are much more at ease being affirming and encouraging than they are being critical and challenging.  But I think we desperately need to be challenged and criticised in an age where some adults are little better than 2 year old children having a tantrum because they can't get their way and have completely failed to appreciate the competing needs of others.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;And what about those whole churches who fail to have any sort of social responsibility or outreach into the community, whose religion is entirely private ?  Or those churches fail to contribute to the needs of others by either not paying or underpaying the common fund / diocesan quota ? Are these all matters about which we should remain silent?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I hope not.  I think we need to recover one of the roles of priest as prophet; the voice that calls people to a better life, that challenges and criticises and exhorts people to individual &amp;amp; corporate repentance / change.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;And surely there must be some limits on behaviour? We've probably all witnessed the kind of unchristian behaviour that has made us think;- I wish that person didn't come to church !  Is there a point where it's right to tell someone not to come to church anymore?  Is there a point where a person's damage to the community outweighs their right to membership?  I'm aware of the various prohibitions on ex-communication, but I'm also aware of churches that operate a discipline where people are asked not to receive communion. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;And what of biblical models of discipline in the Christian Community, I don't think this is in the lectionary, but perhaps it ought to be:-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Matthew 18.15 &lt;span style="color: #38761d;"&gt;‘If another member of the church sins against you, go and point out the fault when the two of you are alone. If the member listens to you, you have regained that one. 16But if you are not listened to, take one or two others along with you, so that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. 17If the member refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if the offender refuses to listen even to the church, let such a one be to you as a Gentile and a tax-collector.&lt;/span&gt; NRSV&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-865485552500294563?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/865485552500294563/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=865485552500294563' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/865485552500294563'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/865485552500294563'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/12/turning-hearts-of-disobedient-to-wisdom.html' title='Turning the hearts of the disobedient to the wisdom of the just'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SyovpeTssJI/AAAAAAAAB-c/I0IHqdnH2wQ/s72-c/baptist3.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-3824764316091981080</id><published>2009-12-11T14:57:00.001Z</published><updated>2009-12-12T23:08:08.605Z</updated><title type='text'>Anglo-Papalist or Anglo-Catholic</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SyJdl2pEdUI/AAAAAAAAB-U/pPgxWsi-tU0/s1600-h/1.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SyJdl2pEdUI/AAAAAAAAB-U/pPgxWsi-tU0/s400/1.JPG" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;In any debate it's important to define the terms.  Often in the definition lies the root of the disagreement and occasionally the seeds of a solution.  My definitions include:-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: #a64d79;"&gt;Ecumenism for Uniformity&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Those seeking a unified world wide church, a central source of authority (preferably the Pope), clear authoritative teaching, unified liturgical practice and clear boundaries of doctrine and membership.   This group has some difficulty admitting the existence of any other kind of ecumenism.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: #6aa84f;"&gt;Ecumenism for Diversity&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Those seeking to better understand other churches, value and retain their distinctive traditions and differences.  Those working for closer union, even communion whilst retaining a distinctive theological perspective or even distinctive ecclesiologies.  This group are not seeking a unified world wide church; a project they view with some suspicion. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #cc0000;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Anglo-Papalists&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;This group whilst nominally Anglican looks to Rome for their teaching and inspiration.  But more than that they look to Rome for their very raison d'être and long to be reunited with the Roman Catholic Church.  They regret the reformation and see little good as have emerged from the reformed strand of Christianity.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: #3d85c6;"&gt;Anglo-Catholics&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;This group also looks to Rome for inspiration and liturgical practice but also values the distinctive Anglican patrimony, the catholic part of the Anglican church from the reformation to the present day.  They also believe that the Anglican church is authentically Catholic without union with Rome, in that it is universal in England, retains the catholic order of Bishops, Priests and Deacons, and that Anglican liturgy leaves sufficient space / leeway for catholic interpretation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;So what use are these definitions ?  One immediate use is to ask how group membership overlaps ? for example;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Almost all &lt;b&gt;'&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="color: #cc0000;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Anglo-Papalists&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;'&lt;/b&gt; will believe in &lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: #a64d79;"&gt;'Ecumenism for Uniformity'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: #6aa84f;"&gt;'Anglo-Catholics'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; will believe in either&amp;nbsp;&lt;span style="background-color: #eeeeee;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #a64d79;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;'Ecumenism for Uniformity'&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;or&amp;nbsp;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: #3d85c6;"&gt;'Ecumenism for Diversity'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Another use would be addressing particular groups, which by co-incidence is the very point of this post;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: x-large;"&gt;'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #6aa84f;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: x-large;"&gt;Anglo-Catholics'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: x-large;"&gt; believing in &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #a64d79;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: x-large;"&gt;'Ecumenism for Uniformity'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;If this is the group that you're inclined towards, an important moment of choice has arrived!  The &lt;span style="color: #cc0000;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;'Anglo-Papalists'&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt; who believe in &lt;span style="color: #a64d79;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;'Ecumenism for Uniformity'&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt; ought to be off to Rome some time in the new year.  Will you be with them ?  If not then I'd encourage you for the sake of your sanity to embrace &lt;span style="color: #3d85c6;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;'Ecumenism for Diversity'&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt; wholeheartedly. Given the Pope's offer I'm expecting '&lt;span style="color: #a64d79;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Ecumenism for Uniformity&lt;/b&gt;'&lt;/span&gt; to be in sharp and marked decline in the CofE in the coming year.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-3824764316091981080?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/3824764316091981080/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=3824764316091981080' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/3824764316091981080'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/3824764316091981080'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/12/anglo-papalist-or-anglo-catholic.html' title='Anglo-Papalist or Anglo-Catholic'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SyJdl2pEdUI/AAAAAAAAB-U/pPgxWsi-tU0/s72-c/1.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-8829560775335704415</id><published>2009-12-09T14:31:00.000Z</published><updated>2009-12-09T14:31:54.866Z</updated><title type='text'>Just for Fun; Bad Vestments</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/Sx-z4yi_qbI/AAAAAAAAB-I/lV34OyyZ4z0/s1600-h/badvestments.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/Sx-z4yi_qbI/AAAAAAAAB-I/lV34OyyZ4z0/s640/badvestments.JPG" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I acknowledge that I got these pictures from&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://bit.ly/7ewcsv"&gt;http://bit.ly/7ewcsv&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-8829560775335704415?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/8829560775335704415/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=8829560775335704415' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/8829560775335704415'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/8829560775335704415'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/12/just-for-fun-bad-vestments.html' title='Just for Fun; Bad Vestments'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/Sx-z4yi_qbI/AAAAAAAAB-I/lV34OyyZ4z0/s72-c/badvestments.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-4907123469157182883</id><published>2009-12-09T11:40:00.001Z</published><updated>2009-12-09T11:41:39.076Z</updated><title type='text'>ECUSA are just Anglicans</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/Sx-MfmpDiBI/AAAAAAAAB-A/LT1FPPiy8hY/s1600-h/h1.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/Sx-MfmpDiBI/AAAAAAAAB-A/LT1FPPiy8hY/s400/h1.JPG" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The Saint Barnabas' Blog refers to the 'latest inflammatory decision of the wilfully disobedient Episcopal Church of America' You can read the original at &lt;a href="http://bit.ly/4MqRUO"&gt;http://bit.ly/4MqRUO&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I'm not sure this is true and I'll tell you why;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Each province of the Anglican Communion is autonomous.  There aren't any rules for membership of the Anglican Communion and no one can order a province to do anything.  Within a province the Diocese is also autonomous and likewise there isn't any route for enforcing anything.   That's why the Archbishop of Canterbury is head of the communion but doesn't have any actual power, all he can do is try to influence &amp;amp; persuade  a Diocese or Province.  This isn't peculiar to the Anglican Communion it's also the structure (or lack thereof) of the Church of England.  It's a structure deliberately made to resist religious persecution, intolerance and the tyranny of majority rule.  It's a structure that deliberately breads diversity and is the antithesis of homogeneity.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Then you need to consider the huge size of the USA and it's relatively inward focused and independent minded ethos.  Less than 10% of the population have ever travelled outside the USA, there is little foreign news coverage, it's a country with it's own paper sizes; which tells you a lot the mind set.  It's also a country that values independence and fought us hard to get it.  It's a country that by inclination would rather lead than follow and one for whom keeping the consensus wouldn't be as important as doing what was right.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;In addition the Episcopal Church of the USA has long &amp;amp; fully accepted the ministry of gay, lesbian and transgender clergy.  Many gay ECUSA clergy have served the church loyally and are excellent candidates for the office of Bishop.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Put these things together a different picture emerges;- ECUSA is not 'wilfully disobedient' because there is no central authority to be disobey.  It is indeed acting against the majority view of the Anglican Communion; but the very structure of the Communion allows it to do that.  The fact that parts of he communion ordain women and parts do not is evidence of a structure that allows diversity.  Add to this the mind set of the USA and you have a church (the Episcopal Church of the USA) that fully understands that Nigeria and Uganda don't want gay clergy or Bishops but nevertheless think it is right to elect a gay Bishop.  The Anglican  Communion has no veto or structure to stop them.  If Nigeria, et al, as a consequence want to leave or set up a tighter and more homogeneous church , that's up to them, it is also profoundly un-Anglican.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-4907123469157182883?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/4907123469157182883/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=4907123469157182883' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/4907123469157182883'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/4907123469157182883'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/12/ecusa-are-just-anglicans.html' title='ECUSA are just Anglicans'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/Sx-MfmpDiBI/AAAAAAAAB-A/LT1FPPiy8hY/s72-c/h1.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-6455278229842489298</id><published>2009-12-07T04:32:00.002Z</published><updated>2009-12-07T04:35:19.244Z</updated><title type='text'>Uganda and the Election of Canon Mary Glasspool</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SxyE8CRJk3I/AAAAAAAAB94/qzMQNL4ZlKM/s1600-h/Capture7.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SxyE8CRJk3I/AAAAAAAAB94/qzMQNL4ZlKM/s400/Capture7.JPG" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Let me contrast for you the reaction of the Anglican Church to two different pieces of news;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Canon Mary Glasspool is elected a Suffragan Bishop of Los Angles Diocese.  She is in a long term committed relationship with another woman.  Almost immediately the Archbishop of Canterbury issues a statement, Anglican Mainstream are 'saddened', the church related media will discuss the story endlessly until eventually and perhaps inevitably the Episcopal Church of the USA will end up outside what's left of the Anglican Communion.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The second piece of news is that a law is making it's way through the legislature of Uganda which further criminalises homosexuality; 3 years in jail for failing to report homosexuals to the authorities and the death penalty for 'aggravated' homosexuality.  The Church of Uganda is almost silent (with the brave exception of Canon Gideon Byamugisha who described the new law as state-legislated genocide), and there are no statements from either of our Archbishops, one of whom was actually born in Uganda.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Can no one in the church see the shocking and disgraceful parallel here.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I'm aware that the Rowan Williams has apparently made efforts behind the scenes to influence Ugandan Church and State on the basis that he is advised that a public campaign may have the opposite effect.  But is that really good enough ?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;And what's more it's the same people who've been silent about Uganda (would it be too wicked to suggest that's because they secretly agree with it?) who will now be outraged by the election of Canon Mary Glasspool.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Image just for a moment that you're a gay Christian, how would you feel ? Prominent church figures refuse to condemn state sponsored oppression and violence, but immediately speak out against the election of a Bishop, freely chosen by her own church.  Some people actually appear to believe that it's preferable to put homosexuals in prison and kill them, than have them elected a Bishop - make no mistake that's the deeply unpalatable truth revealed by different reactions to two pieces of news.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Today, frankly, I'm ashamed to be a member of the Church of England.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-6455278229842489298?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/6455278229842489298/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=6455278229842489298' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/6455278229842489298'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/6455278229842489298'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/12/uganda-and-election-of-canon-mary.html' title='Uganda and the Election of Canon Mary Glasspool'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SxyE8CRJk3I/AAAAAAAAB94/qzMQNL4ZlKM/s72-c/Capture7.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-1171807817964488860</id><published>2009-12-03T14:01:00.001Z</published><updated>2009-12-03T14:01:34.282Z</updated><title type='text'>Human Sexuality alla Romana</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/Sxel3qDbZXI/AAAAAAAAB9w/fRs-qC6l45o/s1600-h/hh.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; display: inline !important; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/Sxel3qDbZXI/AAAAAAAAB9w/fRs-qC6l45o/s200/hh.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Whilst some of us &amp;nbsp;in the Anglican Church feel &amp;nbsp;uncomfortable with the&amp;nbsp;official&amp;nbsp;teaching on human sexuality, believe me it's nothing compared with this;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Gays and transsexuals won't go to heaven, a top Roman Catholic cardinal said Wednesday.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;"Transsexuals and gays will never enter the heavenly kingdom," said Javier Lozano Barragan, until recently the Vatican's 'health minister'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;"It's not me who says so, it's St Paul," he said, referring to the saint credited with forging the early Church.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Barragan, who still holds positions on various Church bodies, added that people were not born gay but became so.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;"Perhaps they aren't guilty but by acting against the dignity of the body they will certainly not enter the Kingdom of Heaven," he repeated.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-1171807817964488860?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/1171807817964488860/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=1171807817964488860' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/1171807817964488860'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/1171807817964488860'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/12/human-sexuality-alla-romana.html' title='Human Sexuality alla Romana'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/Sxel3qDbZXI/AAAAAAAAB9w/fRs-qC6l45o/s72-c/hh.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-4307193696097539485</id><published>2009-12-02T17:36:00.001Z</published><updated>2009-12-02T17:41:51.426Z</updated><title type='text'>Clergy Pay and Conditions</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SxalfyZmrfI/AAAAAAAAB9o/3l-BemxSKRs/s1600-h/tenpound.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SxalfyZmrfI/AAAAAAAAB9o/3l-BemxSKRs/s320/tenpound.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;According to Ruth Gledhill;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #38761d;"&gt;A great incentive to become a vicar these days must be the pension at the end of the 'career'. As a covenanting Anglican, I do wonder why stipendiary can't contribute to their contributory pension scheme as everyone else in the country has to, especially as most people don't even enjoy fixed benefit schemes any more, again unlike the clergy, who also don't have to pay community charge.&lt;/span&gt; (you can read the original here &lt;a href="http://bit.ly/7AIhpR"&gt;http://bit.ly/7AIhpR&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Great ! Wonderful !  I work for considerably less than the average UK salary, put in many more hours than the average UK worker, I actually care about my work, and when I retire with 25 years service I will get £7000 pa, which is £134 a week.  I think you only get the full pension if you work 38 years.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Can you tell me where I'm going to rent a house and live for £134 a week ? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The basic facts are that I earn 20k and get a free accommodation.  The average UK salary is 24K (source; BBC) and so I guess that I earn around the average.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;However unlike the average worker I have two degrees and spent seven years training and studying for ministry.  Unlike the average worker I work around 60 hours a week and am not entitled to any kind of overtime.  Unlike the average worker I have no employment protection in law.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I could walk out of here tomorrow and earn 50k a year, as could many clergy.  What keeps me here? The fact I actually want to do the job and think it's important.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Is that any reason to exploit me even further; with worse pay &amp;amp; conditions?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-4307193696097539485?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/4307193696097539485/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=4307193696097539485' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/4307193696097539485'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/4307193696097539485'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/12/clergy-pay-and-conditions.html' title='Clergy Pay and Conditions'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SxalfyZmrfI/AAAAAAAAB9o/3l-BemxSKRs/s72-c/tenpound.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-103614371076838070</id><published>2009-11-30T12:18:00.003Z</published><updated>2009-12-05T13:55:43.320Z</updated><title type='text'>The Authority to Ordain Women</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SxO4CEZ2eHI/AAAAAAAAB9g/svIpsV8buJ0/s1600/1.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SxO4CEZ2eHI/AAAAAAAAB9g/svIpsV8buJ0/s400/1.JPG" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;One of the arguments used to oppose the ordination of women is that the Church of England does not have the authority to make this kind of change to the ministry of the church.  Some even assert that nothing less than an ecumenical council would have such authority.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Clearly if those kind of statements were made by a Cardinal in Rome, or Eastern Orthodox Bishop you could at least understand where they were coming from.  But to hear these words come from a Anglican exposes a very serious logical inconsistency;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The very existence of the Church of England bears testimony to the right of Churches to behave in an autonomous manner.   The idea that changes can only be agreed by a world wide council would mean that almost no change could ever be made. Every church (Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant etc) acts and makes changes without an Ecumenical Council.  The last Ecumenical Council was in 787AD and plenty has changed since then.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;If you admit that changes can be made without an Ecumenical Council then the only basis to deny the right of the Anglican Church to make changes would be it's lack of communion with Rome.  The Church if England already asserts it's right to act autonomously from Rome in it's very existence.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Every ordained member of the Church of England assents to the 39 Articles of Religion;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Article 20 Of the Authority of the Church&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #990000;"&gt;The Church hath power to decree Rites or Ceremonies, and authority in Controversies of Faith&lt;/span&gt;: and yet it is not lawful for the Church to ordain any thing that is contrary to God's Word written, neither may it so expound one place of Scripture, that it be repugnant to another. Wherefore, although the Church be a witness and a keeper of Holy Writ, yet, as it ought not to decree any thing against the same, so besides the same ought it not to enforce any thing to be believed for necessity of Salvation. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The Church of England has the right to ordain women, deacon, priest and bishop and it derives that right from it's very foundation.  To deny this right is to deny the very foundation of the Church of England. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-103614371076838070?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/103614371076838070/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=103614371076838070' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/103614371076838070'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/103614371076838070'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/11/authority-to-ordain-women.html' title='The Authority to Ordain Women'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SxO4CEZ2eHI/AAAAAAAAB9g/svIpsV8buJ0/s72-c/1.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-8428181051596076059</id><published>2009-11-28T13:43:00.002Z</published><updated>2009-11-28T13:47:05.490Z</updated><title type='text'>Back to Church Sunday (Church Mouse is SO right!</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SxEnGJmHtAI/AAAAAAAAB9Y/k-nDaMPIPzw/s1600/zzz.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SxEnGJmHtAI/AAAAAAAAB9Y/k-nDaMPIPzw/s320/zzz.JPG" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Church Mouse says about Back to Church Sunday &lt;span style="color: #38761d;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;'there is no point inviting people back if you haven't dealt with the reasons why they left in the first place'&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt; you can read it here &lt;a href="http://bit.ly/4ERC3n"&gt;http://bit.ly/4ERC3n&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;This is SO true and I really can't understand why people don't get this; if church is boring, dull, unfriendly and cold, you can invite people to give it a second chance, but they'll just leave again.  What's worse is that you only get one 2nd chance; when people have seen it for themselves recently no amount of invites, initiatives or marketing will get them back.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;When I lived in Cambridge there was a restaurant which opened and it was absolutely packed for the first 3 weeks.  Then it was totally empty.  What happened ?  The restaurant opened before it was ready, the staff weren't trained properly , the kitchen wasn't ready for a full restaurant,  the food took ages to come and standards got worse the more customers came for dinner.  Two months, and an expensive marketing campaign later the restaurant closed.   What's the lesson here;- don't invited people to something that isn't ready or worth attending.  And;- no amount of marketing will make up for the fact that people tried the restaurant and didn't like it.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;In marketing everyone is taught that 'no amount advertising will make people buy a product they don't want' &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The church does not need more marketing it needs to change the product (that's the experience of going to church NOT the message of the gospel).  It needs to make going to church and church membership an experience that people actually want .... not something they do begrudgingly out of guilt, superstition, habit or half inherited loyalties.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;What's the recipe for good 'going to church' experience?  It's not brain surgery to work it out;- a bright welcoming lobby with a personal welcome, a welcome pack, a comfortable seat, friendly church members, a physically warm building, a well presented and printed service booklet, lessons that are well read with inflection and emphasis , really great music and good singing, a good sound system so that everyone can hear clearly, an informative, provoking, and moving sermon, relevant intercessions, beautiful liturgy and profound symbolism, someone to talk to afterwards with fresh coffee and an invitation to attend again.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I'd also add to that recipe a data projector screen and professional quality audio visual aids such as those at&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.bigbookmedia.com/"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;http://www.bigbookmedia.com/&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;(you'll just have to forgive the blatant plug for a project I've been involved with)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-8428181051596076059?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/8428181051596076059/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=8428181051596076059' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/8428181051596076059'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/8428181051596076059'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/11/back-to-church-sunday-church-mouse-is.html' title='Back to Church Sunday (Church Mouse is SO right!'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SxEnGJmHtAI/AAAAAAAAB9Y/k-nDaMPIPzw/s72-c/zzz.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-6769113208249210162</id><published>2009-11-27T16:56:00.004Z</published><updated>2009-11-30T12:20:25.772Z</updated><title type='text'>Dublin Abuse Report and the Catholic Herald</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SxAFhKmvzFI/AAAAAAAAB9Q/YF7LYFKv5f8/s1600/cv.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SxAFhKmvzFI/AAAAAAAAB9Q/YF7LYFKv5f8/s200/cv.JPG" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The report from the investigation into the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Dublin is a truly shocking read.  One priest abused over 100 children, 46 priests were investigated in the report.  What is perhaps even more shocking is that all of this was hushed up by the Irish state and Roman Catholic Church who were more interested in the reputation of the church than justice for the victims.  Indeed it would appear that the authoritarian structure of Irish Roman Catholic Church meant that the abuse was kept out of the public eye for many years.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The lesson to be learnt;- authoritarian structures like to keep problems, failures and abuses quiet because they don't like to face tough questions from outside.  Authoritarian structures just can't handle internal or external criticism.   Open structures tend to keep the discipline of explaining to the wider world their problems and failures and are less likely to hide abuse.  Authorities structures can look good but be rotten underneath; open structures can look chaotic but are hiding nothing, what you see is what you get.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Let those with ears to hear understand .........&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;And talking of keeping quiet;- the Dublin Abuse report is a major piece of international news, a major church news story and yet Damian Thompson has tweeted on every other subject today except Dublin and the Catholic Herald silent on the issue.  Apparently it's fine to heavily criticise Rowan Williams and the Church of England, at length on every possible occasion and it's fine to report every small piece of non-news from Rome in triumphalist terms, but when it comes to admitting that everything isn't perfect in the Roman Catholic Church they have absolutely nothing to say. &amp;nbsp;(Note;- see the comments)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-6769113208249210162?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/6769113208249210162/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=6769113208249210162' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/6769113208249210162'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/6769113208249210162'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/11/dublin-abuse-report-and-catholic-herald.html' title='Dublin Abuse Report and the Catholic Herald'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SxAFhKmvzFI/AAAAAAAAB9Q/YF7LYFKv5f8/s72-c/cv.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-5035176782989389510</id><published>2009-11-25T11:02:00.001Z</published><updated>2009-11-25T11:02:34.709Z</updated><title type='text'>Civil Religion ?</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/Sw0OLkvGX7I/AAAAAAAAB9I/aTdvunur_9s/s1600/c21.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/Sw0OLkvGX7I/AAAAAAAAB9I/aTdvunur_9s/s320/c21.JPG" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Today I'm struck by the truth articulated by Cardinal Angelo Bagnasco that 'Christianity rejects and will always reject being reduced to a civil religion at the service of those in power, whoever they may be' you can read the full article here &lt;a href="http://bit.ly/871Lez"&gt;http://bit.ly/871Lez&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Engagement with the local community, being a school governor, running a worthy local project, teaching ethics, being at the youth club, being a local councillor, all these may well be good things for a priest to do but they must not be all that s/he does.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The church is more, much more that just another local voluntary agency. We forget this at our peril.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Our primary task is to build and maintain the church; mission must be at the heart of all we do.  Serving the local community is the consequence of our faith and convictions, it must not become an idol we serve in place of Christ.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;And if the consequence of this is that we say something society finds hard or unacceptable, well that is the cost of our involvement.  Sometimes we're called to speak truth to power, even if what we say is unpopular.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-5035176782989389510?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/5035176782989389510/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=5035176782989389510' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/5035176782989389510'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/5035176782989389510'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/11/civil-religion.html' title='Civil Religion ?'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/Sw0OLkvGX7I/AAAAAAAAB9I/aTdvunur_9s/s72-c/c21.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-3339155029917398416</id><published>2009-11-24T13:47:00.001Z</published><updated>2009-11-24T14:07:56.336Z</updated><title type='text'>Forward in Faith</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;There is an element of truth that lies behind this comment by Edward Tomlinson, his blog is at; &lt;a href="http://bit.ly/4QXhL9"&gt;http://bit.ly/4QXhL9&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #38761d;"&gt;'Father Waller’s board (vandalised) expresses what many of us are starting to fear- that we are actually hated within our own family, who have no real desire to help us, but will seek to hurt us if we stay and hurt us if we go. Pray God that this fear is entirely unfounded'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;And the truth revealed is this;- since 1992 those who opposed the ordination of women have seriously offended many people and done little or nothing to help themselves.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The surprise they now express that people have limited sympathy for them is in sharp contrast to the 15 years of offensive remarks and apartheid attitudes suffered by those who don't agree with Forward in Faith.   Many of my colleagues have been treated like leapers by Forward in Faith and told they're not 'real' catholics.  Members of Forward in Faith don't attend chapters regularly, don't join in area and diocesan events and in some cases don't even talk to clergy who disagree with them.  For some of us it's been like living in an apartheid state; Forward in Faith members have shown very little respect or courtesy to women clergy &amp;amp; male colleagues.  Some behaviour has been disgracefully unchristian and some people have been serious hurt by offensive remarks and behaviour.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;My advice to Forward in Faith is; start making a few friends, apologise to those you've offended, commit yourselves wholeheartedly to coming to chapter, deanery synod and taking a full part in all aspects of Anglican church life.  Treat those with whom you disagree with respect and courtesy.  In consequence you might find people more kindly disposed towards you.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-3339155029917398416?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/3339155029917398416/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=3339155029917398416' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/3339155029917398416'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/3339155029917398416'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/11/forward-in-faith.html' title='Forward in Faith'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-7163649052355434929</id><published>2009-11-23T12:33:00.002Z</published><updated>2009-11-23T12:34:14.964Z</updated><title type='text'>Debate not vandalism</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SwqApYGmrGI/AAAAAAAAB9A/5o8QZq5y80k/s1600/Capture1.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SwqApYGmrGI/AAAAAAAAB9A/5o8QZq5y80k/s320/Capture1.JPG" width="311" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Lets encourage reasoned debate not vandalism&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-7163649052355434929?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/7163649052355434929/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=7163649052355434929' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/7163649052355434929'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/7163649052355434929'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/11/debate-not-vandalism.html' title='Debate not vandalism'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SwqApYGmrGI/AAAAAAAAB9A/5o8QZq5y80k/s72-c/Capture1.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-7952606319508547243</id><published>2009-11-23T12:07:00.001Z</published><updated>2009-11-23T15:55:29.142Z</updated><title type='text'>Wash and Go</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"&gt;Ancient Richborough (read him here &lt;a href="http://bit.ly/5EjDfe"&gt;http://bit.ly/5EjDfe&lt;/a&gt;) says in his most recent blog that the CofE should&amp;nbsp; &lt;span style="color: #38761d;"&gt;'start preparing the financial package which will enable priests to move on as quickly as possible&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #38761d;"&gt;'&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"&gt;Surely those who stayed on after 1992 (when financial compensation was offered) can not now expect compensation ?&amp;nbsp; If you couldn't serve in a church with women in leadership and ministry surely the time to leave with compensation was around 1994.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"&gt;In the FiF alternative reality those who now want to leave will get financial compensation, continue to live in their Anglican vicarages and continue to worship in their Anglican churches.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"&gt;In the real world this is utterly unacceptable.&amp;nbsp; People in many parishes are giving sacrificially to support the work and mission of the Church of England and the idea that their money can used be used to subsidise new parishes for Rome just can not be right.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"&gt;No compensation, no use of Anglican vicarages or churches.&amp;nbsp; Have the courage of your convictions, simply resign and go ....&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-7952606319508547243?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/7952606319508547243/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=7952606319508547243' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/7952606319508547243'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/7952606319508547243'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/11/wash-and-go.html' title='Wash and Go'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-5381742674356553483</id><published>2009-11-23T11:01:00.001Z</published><updated>2009-11-23T11:02:14.652Z</updated><title type='text'>Rowan's Pectoral Cross from the Pope</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/Swpo1ZEmwyI/AAAAAAAAB8g/kXAOUInp14c/s1600/z.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/Swpo1ZEmwyI/AAAAAAAAB8g/kXAOUInp14c/s320/z.JPG" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: .0001pt; margin: 0cm;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I'm grateful to David Hamid, his blog here;- &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://bit.ly/4nuGe3"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;http://bit.ly/4nuGe3&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;.&amp;nbsp; He pointed out that Benedict gave Rowan Williams a gold pectoral cross as a gift at their recent meeting.&amp;nbsp; How interesting that the Roman Pontiff should give the insignia of a Bishop to a dubiously baptised layman !&amp;nbsp; Perhaps Benedict doesn't think Anglican orders are null and void ..... that would be an interesting place to begin an ecumenical dialogue ........&lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-5381742674356553483?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/5381742674356553483/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=5381742674356553483' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/5381742674356553483'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/5381742674356553483'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/11/rowans-pectoral-cross-from-pope.html' title='Rowan&apos;s Pectoral Cross from the Pope'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/Swpo1ZEmwyI/AAAAAAAAB8g/kXAOUInp14c/s72-c/z.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-3945202613840432021</id><published>2009-11-23T10:36:00.002Z</published><updated>2009-11-23T10:45:13.663Z</updated><title type='text'>Pope John Paul II would whip himself before he ordained priests</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;In an article entitled 'Pope John Paul would whip himself before he ordained priests' which you can read here:- &lt;a href="http://bit.ly/7kWzQ2"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;http://bit.ly/7kWzQ2&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; the following testimonies are cited from the Congregation for the Causes of Saints:-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #38761d;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #38761d;"&gt;'Among them is the testimony of Polish nun Tobiana Sobodka, of the Sacred Heart of Jesus order, who worked for Pope John Paul in his private Vatican apartments and at his summer residence in Castel Gandolfo near Rome.  Sister Sobodka said: 'Several times he (Pope John Paul) would put himself through bodily penance.  'We would hear it - we were in the next room at Castel Gandolfo. You could hear the sound of the blows when he flagellated himself. He did it when he was still capable of moving on his own.'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #38761d;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #38761d;"&gt;'The flagellation is also confirmed by another bishop who has given testimony Emery Kabongo, who for several years was a secretary for Pope John Paul.  He said: 'He would punish himself and in particular just before he ordained bishops and priests. Before passing on the sacraments he wanted to prepare himself.'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Is this the kind of thing a church leader should be doing ? Is this the kind of thing that we might wish to model for our church leaders ?  Is this a sign of mental health and well being ?   Is this a virtue ?  Would God wish us to do this ?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;No doubt you'll make up your own mind about this, as for me I would have very serious problems working for a church where this occurred let alone discovering this was practised by it's leader. I think this reveals self loathing, a dislike or hatred for humanity and dislike or hatred of the physical body.  This is not a picture of mental wholeness and well being, it's the opposite. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-3945202613840432021?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/3945202613840432021/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=3945202613840432021' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/3945202613840432021'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/3945202613840432021'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/11/pope-john-paul-ii-would-whip-himself.html' title='Pope John Paul II would whip himself before he ordained priests'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-1615207128960182884</id><published>2009-11-14T11:54:00.003Z</published><updated>2009-11-14T12:09:15.843Z</updated><title type='text'>No greener grass</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;In the last week I've made a note of those stories that show that the Roman Catholic church faces the same issues as the Anglican Church.  Those who want to go to Rome because they perceive it problem / dissent / liberal free should read:-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Gay Catholic Priest Getting Married &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://bit.ly/218Xh5"&gt;http://bit.ly/218Xh5&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Catholic Priest a Secret Father&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://bit.ly/3aXjdP"&gt;http://bit.ly/3aXjdP&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Catholic Prelate in Property Scandal with Gangsters&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://bit.ly/34t6af"&gt;http://bit.ly/34t6af&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Catholic Church Corruption Story&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://bit.ly/3FUDfk"&gt;http://bit.ly/3FUDfk&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;SSPX Bishop to go on trial in Britain&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #551a8b;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://bit.ly/3xnJ3j"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bit.ly/3xnJ3j"&gt;http://bit.ly/3xnJ3j&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #551a8b;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Hope for priests who would marry&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://bit.ly/4lNOmo"&gt;http://bit.ly/4lNOmo&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Middleborough Diocese faces £8m Child Abuse Bill&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://bit.ly/q03kE"&gt;http://bit.ly/q03kE&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;.... and they might also like to contemplate that the vast majority of Roman Catholics I know; actively want women priests, marriage for clergy and an end to the teaching on contraception. &amp;nbsp;There is no haven for those who can't live the modern world .... &lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-1615207128960182884?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/1615207128960182884/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=1615207128960182884' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/1615207128960182884'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/1615207128960182884'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/11/no-greener-grass.html' title='No greener grass'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-6271085492123527739</id><published>2009-11-13T15:33:00.005Z</published><updated>2009-11-13T15:37:21.022Z</updated><title type='text'>Bishop Tom Butler provides clear leadership ....</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;'But no Priest or group of laity has the right to take church property with them when they change denominations, for a Diocese holds such property in trust for the mission and ministry of the Church of England to all the people of its parishes and this duty of care would continue.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I don't myself see how a parish could legally "take" the parish church and other assets without specific statutory authority.   In the case of the parish church, it would presumably mean a Scheme under the Pastoral Measure or specific legislation enacted for the purpose, and this could only be done with the goodwill of the diocese.    In the case of assets such as the church hall or other parish property, appropriation to another denomination would almost certainly be a breach of trust and would not be possible without the co-operation of the Diocesan Board of Finance as Custodian Trustees and probably also the involvement of the Charity Commission.   Parsonage houses are, of course, governed by the Parsonages Measure and an Incumbent cannot alienate the parsonage without obtaining the authority required by law, again the Diocesan Board of Finance or the Church Commissioners.    Of course in the months and years ahead much of this might well be crawled over by lawyers on all sides, but the general principles seem to be clear and we can all relax a little whilst the plot thickens.   My own feeling is that the Vatican’s initiative is more aimed at ex-Anglicans in the United States than members of the Church of England but no doubt some of our people will wish to give it serious consideration.'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #666666; font-family: Verdana, 'Trebuchet MS', Arial; font-size: 12px;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;h2 style="-webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-color: initial; background-image: url(http://www.southwark.anglican.org/images/common/shield-big.gif); background-position: 0% 0%; background-repeat: no-repeat; color: #e53245; font-size: 17px; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 10px; padding-left: 35px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 6px;"&gt;The Rt Rev. Dr Tom Butler, Bishop of Southwark&lt;/h2&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://bit.ly/3tuZLu"&gt;http://bit.ly/3tuZLu&amp;nbsp;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-6271085492123527739?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/6271085492123527739/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=6271085492123527739' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/6271085492123527739'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/6271085492123527739'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/11/bishop-tom-butler-provides-clear.html' title='Bishop Tom Butler provides clear leadership ....'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-6986130397805171605</id><published>2009-11-12T16:28:00.000Z</published><updated>2009-11-12T16:28:04.266Z</updated><title type='text'>A Counter Offer</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Augustine of Canterbury extends a very warm and generous welcome to Roman Catholics who would like to come home to the mother church of our country.  Roman Catholic Clergy are especially welcome and the benefits they can expect are:-&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Freedom of Thought&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Anglican clergy make up their own minds on theological and moral issues using scripture, tradition and reason as sources of authority.  Freed from the magisterium, imprimatur, catechesis, dogmas and the 'Holy Office' you are simply asked to consent to the Catholic Creeds.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Freedom of Expression&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Many Anglican clergy speak their minds without fear. It's perhaps a bit bewildering if you come from a closely controlled organisation, but it's one of the great &amp;amp; historic glories of the C of E.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Decentralised Authority&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Authority in genuinely spread throughout the structure of the church.  Authority in Anglicanism is more about building a consensus than issuing dictates and in many ways it mirrors decision making in the very early church.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Cooperative Ministry&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;There is a genuine cooperation between clergy and laity in the running and administration of churches.  The laity face and accept their responsibilities and are not infantilised.  It may be a little harder to get things done but it's much more of an adult to adult relationship.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Informed Congregations&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;On the whole, and partly because of our roots in the reformation, congregations tend to be more theologically literate and informed.  There are genuine debates and even disagreements between clergy &amp;amp; laity.  People expect more than being told what to believe, they require reasoned argument and they reserve the right make up their minds.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Liturgically Varied&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;It's a broad church with almost every variety of liturgical expression.  Liturgical choices are based upon beliefs and tradition.  It does mean that you have to think through why you do things in the liturgy and perhaps it's more intellectually rigorous than just following the rubrics.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Education not Training&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;The essential difference in styles is similar to that between education and training.  A person is trained to carry out a task in particular way, with often highly specified methods and outcomes.  Education gives a person the tools to enquire and learn about tasks and leaves them make their own decisions as to how best achieve the goals they have decided upon.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Unity &amp;amp; Diversity&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Diversity in the Anglican church is not considered a weakness, but a virtue.  God created each of us unique and an homogenous church is therefore likely to be a oppressed and oppressive organisation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Freedom to Marry and have a Family&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;An obvious thing to say but true nevertheless.  Celibate and married clergy working along side each other makes for a more holistic ministry.  The fact that an individual can choose to marry or not is essentially very Anglican.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Better Stipends&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;You get an average of 20k instead of an average of 8k.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Better Housing&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;The housing is on the whole better.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Catholic &amp;amp; Reformed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Anglicanism in genuinely Catholic; bishops, priests and deacons with a succession going back to the apostles, a parish church for every community, monastic and lay communities, cathedral worship and a universal ministry to every person in the country. Anglicanism is also genuinely reformed; the Bishop of Rome has no jurisdiction, Roman teaching and dogma are simply those of a sister church and you are not required to teach, believe in them or adhere to them.  The primacy of conscience is a cheque you can cash in England but not in Rome.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;How do I apply ?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Apply in person to any Anglican Bishop who will no doubt be delighted to discuss your admission into the Anglican Communion.  You almost certainly won't need to be re-trained or re-ordained but you may need to spend some time acclimatising to your new freedoms and getting used to the unique and wonderful culture of Anglicanism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-6986130397805171605?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/6986130397805171605/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=6986130397805171605' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/6986130397805171605'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/6986130397805171605'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/11/counter-offer.html' title='A Counter Offer'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-1307024741420333345</id><published>2009-11-09T15:23:00.003Z</published><updated>2009-11-09T15:36:30.491Z</updated><title type='text'>Absolutely not</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;The Bishop of Fulham, today said:-&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;'For some of us I suspect our bluff is called! This is both an exciting and dangerous time for Christianity in this country.  Those who take up this offer will need to enter into negotiation with the Church of England about access to parish churches and many other matters.  This situation must not be used to damage the Church of England but I do believe we have a valid claim on our own heritage in history.'&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;My response is &lt;span style="background-color: #f3f3f3;"&gt;absolutely not&lt;/span&gt; .....&amp;nbsp; If clergy leave the Church of England for Rome they must have the courage of their convictions and leave their churches, vicarages and stipends behind.&amp;nbsp; If Rome wants these people it must support and pay for them, not get them on the cheap, subsidised by the Church of England.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;Any attempt to keep hold of property after you've become a Roman Catholic is morally wrong, legally unsupportable and unworkable, see;- &lt;a href="http://bit.ly/36BR33"&gt;http://bit.ly/36BR33&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;Rome must now say very clearly that it will not accept Anglican churches &amp;amp; vicarages. &amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-1307024741420333345?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/1307024741420333345/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=1307024741420333345' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/1307024741420333345'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/1307024741420333345'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/11/absolutely-not.html' title='Absolutely not'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-7328984610330102650</id><published>2009-11-09T12:48:00.000Z</published><updated>2009-11-09T12:48:34.253Z</updated><title type='text'>Begining of the End</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;So the Apostolic Constitution has been published and for what it is worth here's my opinion:-&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;FiF is now between a rock and very hard place !&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Going to Rome isn't an attractive proposition; you've got to leave your church, vicarage and stipend for an entirely self financing existence in the personal ordinate.  Not one of the FiF parishes in my deanery pays a full common fund contribution, but at least that will be helped by reducing the 20k stipend to the 8k Roman average.  Clearly there is going to be no compensation paid by the CofE.  Ex-Roman clergy and divorced priests aren't welcome and future married seminarians can only de ordained with Papal permission.  Going to Rome might have been a romantic ideal for some Anglo-Catholic clergy the reality is very different and somewhat harsh.  I honestly think when all the fuss has died down less than 200 clergy will actually go to Rome, and many of those will be retired clergy safely drawing their CofE pension.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;As for staying in the C of E, it seems to me that there will be less sympathy (not more) for those opposed to the ordination &amp;amp; consecration of women.  Now there is a Roman option for those opposed there is the very real possibility of synod making no statutory provision for FiF priests.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;For all the celebratory atmosphere of the last FiF conference I believe this is actually the beginning of the end for non affirming Anglo-catholics.  Within 25 years they will be a footnote in church history.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Whatever happened to the Countess of Huntingdon's Connection ?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-7328984610330102650?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/7328984610330102650/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=7328984610330102650' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/7328984610330102650'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/7328984610330102650'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/11/begining-of-end.html' title='Begining of the End'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-820213712696215425</id><published>2009-11-09T11:35:00.000Z</published><updated>2009-11-09T11:35:43.733Z</updated><title type='text'>Case by Case Basis</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;To quote the apostolic constitution published today:-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;'The Ordinary, in full observance of the discipline of celibate clergy in the Latin Church, as a rule (pro regula) will admit only celibate men to the order of presbyter. He may also petition the Roman Pontiff, as a derogation from can. 277, §1, for the admission of married men to the order of presbyter on a case by case basis, according to objective criteria approved by the Holy See.'&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Which means that celebacy as the norm for all Roman clergy (including ex-anglicans) will continue and only the Pope can grant exemptions.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; The effect of having married (ex-anglican) clergy in the Roman Catholic Church is thereby minimised.&amp;nbsp; In short the conservatives won the argument, what a surprise !&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-820213712696215425?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/820213712696215425/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=820213712696215425' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/820213712696215425'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/820213712696215425'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/11/case-by-case-basis.html' title='Case by Case Basis'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-5848746375666269508</id><published>2009-11-07T20:00:00.002Z</published><updated>2009-11-07T20:00:59.000Z</updated><title type='text'>Roman Rumours</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;I was chatting to a respected RC journalist recently who was telling me that one of the possibilities for accommodating former Anglicans who become Roman Catholics is that they might be given currently unused buildings of which there are apparently quite a number.   When I suggested that some would like to continue to operate from their existing (Anglican) premises I was told emphatically that nobody in the RC hierarchy is seriously contemplating that  !&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Sensing an unusually authoritative tone I asked when the full details of the Roman offer would be made public ?  I was told that two groups were trying to influence the text;- group one  who want married Anglican clergy admitted one by one (on a case by case basis) with no provision for ordaining married clergy who have a vocation after the date of their admission into the Roman Catholic Church and group two who want some form of provision so that people within former Anglican churches / congregations can be ordained if they are married.  The reason for this debate;- the effect on the Roman Catholic Church as a whole with regard to clerical celibacy.  In short until the issue is resolved there will be no text issued by Rome.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;So all very interesting and yes I know it's essentially just gossip between two people, but I'm very much hoping the first paragraph is true&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-5848746375666269508?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/5848746375666269508/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=5848746375666269508' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/5848746375666269508'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/5848746375666269508'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/11/roman-rumours.html' title='Roman Rumours'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-316459988341077599</id><published>2009-11-05T16:33:00.001Z</published><updated>2009-11-05T17:05:08.794Z</updated><title type='text'></title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;20 Parishes for the Italian Mission &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Apparently (see &lt;a href="http://tinyurl.com/yj2wmw8"&gt;http://tinyurl.com/yj2wmw8&lt;/a&gt;) the nice Italian missionaries are being joined by 20 or so parishes from the UK Traditional Anglican Communion (see &lt;a href="http://tinyurl.com/yzjnuz7"&gt;http://tinyurl.com/yzjnuz7&lt;/a&gt;)  and this good news will please those at the Italian mission HQ in Rome !&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;In the real world&lt;/b&gt;; - If I were a member of the Italian mission I'd be asking; who are these people ? Have you seen their web site ?  Have you seen pictures of their worship in sheds &amp;amp; garages converted into chapels ? Have you seen lots of pictures of odd looking clergy with almost no lay people ? Have you seen that most of these so called parishes don't meet weekly and have no published service times ?   I think this might be a group of religious enthusiasts who upon being refused ordination / office by main stream churches have ordained themselves (and probably each other) and effectively started their own church.  Doesn't sound very catholic to me, in fact exactly the opposite !  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;I think the nice Italian missionaries should be more careful / discerning !&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-316459988341077599?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/316459988341077599/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=316459988341077599' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/316459988341077599'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/316459988341077599'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/11/20-parishes-for-italian-mission.html' title=''/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-4896121271397934734</id><published>2009-11-04T17:31:00.001Z</published><updated>2009-11-04T17:35:29.698Z</updated><title type='text'>Positive Anglo-Catholic Agenda</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;I've been wondering what my positive agenda for Anglo-Catholicism might be and here's a first attempt;-&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Commitment to the disadvantaged&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Following the example of the early tractarians the Anglo-Catholic movement should have a bias towards ministering in socially deprived parishes and working with those disadvantaged and discriminated against by society.  Against the prevailing culture of the time Jesus associated with tax collectors, prostitutes, rebels and sinners, the Anglo-Catholic movement should actively seek out and minister amongst  the marginalised in our modern society.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Commitment to beauty and excellence in worship&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;The Anglo-Catholic movement should encourage aesthetic beauty in buildings, interiors, items of devotion and insist upon excellence in all aspects of worship.  Our earthly worship prefigures heaven;- beauty, excellence and transcendence  should be the hallmarks of our worship.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Commitment to teach the meaning of symbols and sacraments&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Common ignorance of religious symbolism and the sacraments is endemic even within the church.  We should be committed to teaching symbols and sacraments repeatedly and at every opportunity and stage of church life.  Every Anglo-Catholic church member should be able to articulate the meaning (and practical application) of the sacraments.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Commitment to personal devotion&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;In a culture where passive entertainment predominates we should encourage people to engage with scripture, meditate, pray and receive communion on a daily basis if possible.  We should be teaching that dedication and spiritual discipline bear fruits in depth and fullness of life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Commitment to Mission&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;We should be committed to two sorts of mission;- one to evangelise the un-churched, preaching to gospel to everyone who will listen and two to explain and teach Anglo-Catholic practices &amp;amp; spiritually within the existing church.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Commitment to proclaim the CofE Catholic &amp;amp; Reformed&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;The Anglo-Catholic movement should confidently proclaim itself as the Catholic Church in England, derived from the apostles, with a full apostolic succession and authority to decide upon matters of ministry and church order.  It should be the natural choice of the English people for the pastoral offices and faith enquiry.  We should seek Christian Unity but also value our unique Christian historical heritage as positive and vital contribution to the world wide and universal church.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-4896121271397934734?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/4896121271397934734/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=4896121271397934734' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/4896121271397934734'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/4896121271397934734'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/11/positive-anglo-catholic-agenda.html' title='Positive Anglo-Catholic Agenda'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-942982489634351881</id><published>2009-10-24T16:24:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2009-10-24T16:24:27.155+01:00</updated><title type='text'>A Positive Agenda for Anglo-Catholicism</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;For those of us who were never going to Rome anyway '&lt;u&gt;&lt;b&gt;The&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/u&gt;' question facing the Anglo-Catholic movement is;- what do we stand for ?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;A Success Story&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;If you look at the original aims of the tractarian movement and compare the church of 1830 with the church of today;- you'll see that Anglo-Catholicism has been a massive success.  The clergy have evolved from indolent upper-class gentlemen into a faith centred vocational profession.  Worship at the vast majority of churches has been transformed; most churches are liberal catholic now compared to the 1800s. Open sittings (no reserved seats or purchased pews) are universal and symbols are used and accepted as normal.  The protesting (protestant) reaction to the excesses of the pre-reformation period is over;-  it's no longer an indication of your churchmanship if you light a candle in church or not.  In short the Anglo-Catholic movement has transformed the Church of England.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Not Just Aping Rome&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;One of the natural divisions within the Anglo-Catholic movement from the very beginning was between those who saw the journey as ending in Rome (Newman et al) and those for whom the end was a distinctive Anglican Catholicism (Pusey et al).  Whilst the movement was inspired by Roman Catholicism it was never just a stepping stone to communion with the Bishop of Rome.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Why not just become a Roman Catholic ?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;So the answer to the above question must be because there is something unique, distinctive and worth keeping in the Anglo-Catholic expression of the Church of England.  What is that ? ;- the universal nature of the Church of England, a parish for every person in the country, social engagement with every kind of community, including not excluding people, equality for women (including in ministry), freedom of thought, expression and debate, the use of symbols &amp;amp; sacraments to enhance &amp;amp; deepen faith but not to encourage medieval superstitions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Rome in Error&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;The negative answer to the above paragraph's question must be that Rome is in error.  I've listed a few of Rome historical errors in the preceding blog.  One of its current errors is the refusal to admit women to ordained ministry.  From my conversations with Roman Catholic lay people the vast majority would support woman priests, but Rome isn't interested in listening just telling.  Part of the ecumenical process in the future must be Rome listening to its separated brothers and sisters and asking itself why they left and why they won't rejoin ?&amp;nbsp; We're reformed Catholics for good reasons.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;A Positive Agenda&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;So given that Anglo-Catholics are an integral and vital part of the Church of England, that we're here to stay and that the Church of England is likely to be around for hundreds of years to come, what positive agenda have we got / ought we to have ?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;If we can't answer this question then we deserve to die out, if we can then we just might have the same kind of transforming influence that we've had in the past .......&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-942982489634351881?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/942982489634351881/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=942982489634351881' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/942982489634351881'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/942982489634351881'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/10/positive-agenda-for-anglo-catholicism.html' title='A Positive Agenda for Anglo-Catholicism'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-5976340272205042622</id><published>2009-10-23T11:20:00.005+01:00</published><updated>2009-10-23T12:24:55.565+01:00</updated><title type='text'>I'm not going to Rome</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Like many Anglo-Catholics I've had a long love affair with city of Rome, all things Italian (&amp;amp; Roman) and the prospect of visible Christian Unity, but even if Benedict 16th asked me personally I wouldn't become a Roman Catholic because;-&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;The reformation was necessary&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;The corruption and blatantly un-Christian practices of the medieval church needed confronting. Who can defend the sale of forgiveness or the mistresses and illegitimate children of the popes ?  And why did it then take 400 years to admit that, for example, services in the local / vernacular language were a good idea ? Did the idea mature like cheese over those 400 years until it was right or just perhaps Rome was plain wrong for 400 years ? (between the reformation the 2nd Vatican Council)  Presumably the same might be true of communion in both kinds, the collegiality of bishops and now the marriage of clergy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Rome contributed to the schism &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;The commonly held view that the reformers caused the split or schism in the church does not take account of the fact that the medieval papacy was incapable of handling criticism or dissent (burning those you disagree with is NOT a form of debate) and hardened it's position rather than consider / contemplate change.  Rome could have handled Luther and his moderate requests for a debate very differently and possible even have kept him within the church. Instead with supreme arrogance they declared nothing was wrong, Luther excommunicated and more of the same (aka the Counter Reformation).  I contend that Rome contributed at the very least half to the schism.  And what exactly has changed since then:-&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Indulgences&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Apparently visiting the bones of St Theresa of Lisieux will get you a plenary indulgence (forgiveness of all sins up to that point in time), which can be applied to you or anyone you choose, dead or alive; really ?   Can any modern person believe in a divine economy of salvation in which merit can be transferred between people ?  Surely this is a medieval throwback !  Does anyone in the Roman church ever think to themselves;- 'I wonder what Jesus would make of this ?' - clearly not if they keep teaching this kind of thing.  And what of Rome's more modern teaching:-&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Contraception&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;The Roman aberrance of contraception is incomprehensible to most, but Rome explains it as 'respect for life'.  I contend that it's more like fear of sex, or to be precise fear of the enjoyment of sex.  Rome can't understand why the vast majority of its members take no notice of its moral teaching.  Where moral philosophy turns deadly, literally, is in Africa; where combined with HIV, denying access to contraceptives kills people.  What kind of church would rather be right (in it's own mind) than help save lives ?  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Uniformity&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;Another not so attractive aspect of the Roman church is the way that uniformity is enforced and debate is discouraged, occasionally outright stifled.  Interestingly there are divergent views in the Roman church but more often than not when you speak to individual RC's you'll find them disagreeing with much Roman Catholic teaching but unable to voice their opinions or be heard within their own church.  Roman Catholic university lecturers can find their official permission to teach withdrawn for independent thinking and teaching and books have to carry the imprimatur (official stamp of correct teaching). Roman clergy are monochrome compared to Anglican clergy which is hardly surprising considering they are told what to do and exactly how to do it, down to how many inches apart to hold their hands whilst saying mass.  In short Rome enforces uniformity across the world wide church.  Compare that to the diversity that is the Anglican Communion !  &lt;b&gt;D&lt;/b&gt;ifference, &lt;b&gt;D&lt;/b&gt;iversity and &lt;b&gt;D&lt;/b&gt;ebate are not in themselves wrong and to be avoided.  &lt;b&gt;M&lt;/b&gt;onotonous &lt;b&gt;M&lt;/b&gt;onochrome &lt;b&gt;M&lt;/b&gt;onoculture, now that's something worth avoiding !&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-5976340272205042622?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/5976340272205042622/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=5976340272205042622' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/5976340272205042622'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/5976340272205042622'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/10/like-many-anglo-catholics-ive-had-long.html' title='I&apos;m not going to Rome'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-1433780256464793926</id><published>2009-10-21T06:26:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2009-10-21T06:26:13.818+01:00</updated><title type='text'>The Issue of Property</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;I'm reminded by the title of Fr Simon Rundell's recent blog &lt;a href="http://frsimon.wordpress.com/2009/10/20/across-the-tiber-some-will-go-carrying-what-with-them/"&gt;Across the Tiber Some Will Go Carry What with Them  ?&lt;/a&gt; that the whole issue of property, churches and vicarages,  is one that has to be resolved before soon-to-be former Anglican clergy and possibly whole congregations join the Roman Catholic Church.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;I wouldn't  be at all surprised if some were contemplating joining Rome whilst remaining in their Anglican vicarages and churches.  I have to say that is totally unacceptable;- morally wrong, legally unsupportable and practically unworkable.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Morally Wrong&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;If you are leaving the Anglican Church for another denomination is it morally acceptable to take the property you occupy with you ? I don't think so; All the property built since the reformation was paid for by former generations of loyal Anglicans who shared the theology, ecclesiology and vision of a reformed catholic national church, not the church of Rome.  I would also argue those properties built before the Reformation morally belong to the national church too.  And even if soon-to-be ex-Anglicans were to try to take property with them would it be morally right for the church of Rome to accept the property ? No;- if Rome accepts the property then it would also have to accept the loss of property when Roman clergy leave, which of course it will never do.  If Rome wants to have any kind of continuing ecumenical relationship with the C of E then it will have to make property provision for converts from it's own resources.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Legally Unsupportable&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;There are two points to be made under this heading, one that property owned as a right of freehold is property granted by right of office which ceases when the officer holder gives up his office to become a Roman Catholic and two that the Roman Catholic church has formally &amp;amp; legally given up it's claim on Anglican property, churches and cathedrals, which was a quid-pro-quo for Catholic Emancipation.  It might even be that those properties owned by Anglican catholic charities and trusts, which includes some notable churches, will have in their trust deeds stipulations that prevent the properties being used for anything other than Anglican catholic worship &amp;amp; purposes. The charity commission will need to examine each trust &amp;amp; charity case if and when the need arises.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Practically Unworkable&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;One of the reasons I bother to type Roman Catholic rather than just Catholic is that I totally refuse to accept the idea that the Roman church is 'THE' catholic church in England.  The Anglican church is 'THE' Catholic (universal) church in England.  It has a parish for every area and person in the country.  It's unthinkable that some parish churches should become Roman Catholic.  Do you really think that we should just give up on whole geographical areas of the country ? Like Chichester diocese for example ?  Even if in an FiF fantasy if all of Chichester Diocese became Roman Catholic along with their church buildings the Church of England would still have a absolute duty to re-found the Diocese and plant churches throughout the whole area !  The people of Chichester have a right to worship in an Anglican church and the C of E has a duty to provide for those needs.  It's never going to happen !  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;An Opportunity&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: &amp;quot;Trebuchet MS&amp;quot;,sans-serif;"&gt;On a more positive note, catholic minded &amp;amp; affirming Anglican clergy have endured nearly 17 years of limited job opportunities, because FiF parishes are closed to them.  With a FiF exodus to Rome the C of E is going need catholic clergy to minister in parishes and to re-found some parishes where whole congregations have converted to Rome.  On the basis that no area or parish should be abandoned by the C of E and that buildings will be vacated by departing clergy &amp;amp; people, there is going to be a alot more work for &lt;a href="http://www.scp.org.uk/index.php"&gt;SCP&lt;/a&gt; priests.  So whilst I'm genuinely saddened by the whole 'Roman Offer' and it's implications for our church there might yet be a little light at the end of the tunnel. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-1433780256464793926?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/1433780256464793926/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=1433780256464793926' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/1433780256464793926'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/1433780256464793926'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/10/issue-of-property.html' title='The Issue of Property'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8430251844759557171.post-4351977116716222580</id><published>2009-10-20T13:26:00.003+01:00</published><updated>2009-10-20T15:39:46.804+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Mixed Blessing</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt;I've finally been driven to blog by today's events;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt;The announcement this morning that the Roman Catholic Church will set up a process to receive Anglican Catholics en-mass will I suspect turn out to be a mixed blessing for the rest of us in the Church of England.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;font-family:trebuchet ms;" &gt;Roman Catholic Triumphalism&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt;I hope that I'm not alone in being really rather irritated recently by RC triumphalism, of which today's news is just the latest example.  I'm wondering where are voices criticising Benedict 16th, the backwards looking Latin Mass supporters, the plenary indulgence for visiting the relics of St Thérèse of Lisieux, the continued teaching on contraception that in conjunction with HIV kills so many in Africa, the correlation between the forced celibacy and sexual abuse, the over controlling centralisation of the Roman Curia and the suppression of discussion and dissent?  The reform of the catholic church in England happened for valid reasons, some are still valid today !&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt;Anyway a number of Anglican clergy will now go to Rome, possibly en-mass led by a Forward in Faith Bishop, Rome will rejoice and the C of E will look a little weaker, but in the longer term what will be the effect of such a defection?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;font-family:trebuchet ms;" &gt;Weakening Forward in Faith&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt;One of the most obvious effects of today's news is that Forward in Faith will have less members.  If you look at the average age of FiF clergy you'll see an obvious but as yet unspoken truth; in less than ten years there won't be enough clergy under retirement age to staff the churches they have persuaded and cajoled into petitions A,B&amp;amp;C.  The FiF Clergy demographic is a ticking time bomb.  So today's news just hastens that day.  What will happen to these churches when there aren't enough FiF priests ?  How will those who chose to remain behave ?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;font-family:trebuchet ms;" &gt;Lessening Destructive Dissent &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt;Another effect of today's news is that a number of clergy who have been a destructive force in the church will lessen.  Those who don't come to chapter (a regular local area clergy gathering), participate in diocesan / area events, attend the chrism mass (the annual renewal of ordination vows and blessing of oils for use in the year) and generally treat the rest of us as if we were lepers will be less in number.  There will be less need when organising diocesan / area events to make provision for FiF clergy and their fear of contamination.  All in all the feeling and character of the C of E will change just a little but it will make the life of women and affirming catholic clergy easier and happier.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;font-family:trebuchet ms;" &gt;A Roman Headache&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"&gt;And after the celebrations of those who go over to Rome some will awake with a very Roman headache.  The individualism, the freedom of thought and discussion, the right to dissent, the varied and esoteric liturgical practices, the vicarages, the Anglican stipends, the pensions, the turning a blind eye to an indiscretion in Old Compton Street, the Cathedrals, the musical tradition, the parish system and even the average Anglican congregation will be a distant memory; Replaced by an altogether more homogenous, uniform, controlled, specified and grey reality that is Rome Inc, Universal World Wide Religion PLC;- like McDonald's, identical where you go !  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8430251844759557171-4351977116716222580?l=augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/feeds/4351977116716222580/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8430251844759557171&amp;postID=4351977116716222580' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/4351977116716222580'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8430251844759557171/posts/default/4351977116716222580'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://augustineofcanterbury.blogspot.com/2009/10/mixed-blessing.html' title='Mixed Blessing'/><author><name>Augustine of Canterbury</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0ilch3hZGio/SvHRYwR9cNI/AAAAAAAAB7k/XH3qFP7ilx0/S220/augustine.JPG'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry></feed>
